Fish died in quarantine

[juanmanuelsanch]

Hello everybody.

My fish have been in QT since the 1st of december while my main tank goes fallow.

Today I found my six line wrasse dead. He was a tough fish. Survived the velvet outbreak plus all the noob stuff that happens when you are new to the hobbie.

Anyway, the sympthoms where just loss of apetite, he used to love frozen mysis but lately he just took it and spit it back. Then stoped eating he was not looking weak or anything, always swiming.

Now Im really worried about a clownfish, I havent seen eat anything in days (more than a week) he is breathing fast, I saw white poop coming out.

The tank has been treated with PraziPro, cupramine and Kanaplex. All at different times. But since I saw this Im treating with both Kanaplex and Cupramine (safe to work toguether).

Any help is appreciated.
Here is a video and a pic of the little guy.

All params are at 0.

Thanks in advance

https://youtu.be/sTwYBqqylWo

 

[heathlindner25]

To many meds?

 

[juanmanuelsanch]

I don't think so. The symptoms were coming in different times. Also the meds were removed using carbon and water changes. So I don't think there can be any poisoning.

Any other ideas? Specially from the video.

 

[surferarnie]

Sure looks like distressed breathing. Signs of amonia.tank is cycled?
Might be time for some water changes.


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[juanmanuelsanch]

Water change was made a day ago. Also there are no ammonia levels that can be detected. Also nitrite and nitrate are at zero.

 

[CrayolaViolence]

From what I understand copper is not as affective on velvet as chloroquine phosphate. A combination of CP and hypo salinity has always worked best for me. I'd also suspect a possible bacterial infection as that does tend to happen whenever you are dealing with a parasite outbreak (opportunistic bacteria). The reason I mention bacteria is the clown in that photo looks like it has a "fuzzy" tail, which can be a sign of bacteria.

 

[Reefiez]

Sorry if I'm off topic.

I'm new to saltwater, and I've got a 10g QT set up for about 4 weeks now (2 fishes added 2 weeks ago). My ammonia and nitrites are at 0, but I've got 10-20ppm nitrates. I'm only running a HOB as my filtration, and doing a 30% water change every 2/3 days.

I'm really curious how you get your nitrates down to 0 in your QT?

 

[CrayolaViolence]

Sorry if I'm off topic.

I'm new to saltwater, and I've got a 10g QT set up for about 4 weeks now (2 fishes added 2 weeks ago). My ammonia and nitrites are at 0, but I've got 10-20ppm nitrates. I'm only running a HOB as my filtration, and doing a 30% water change every 2/3 days.

I'm really curious how you get your nitrates down to 0 in your QT?

Good question. I've never been able to get them to 0 any where I am feeding fish.

 

[ca1ore]

I'm really curious how you get your nitrates down to 0 in your QT?

Fish are not sensitive to nitrates, so don't even try.

 

[ktownhero]

I'm really curious how you get your nitrates down to 0 in your QT?

You don't, there's no point. Unless your nitrates are like 50ppm+, I wouldn't even worry about it. I don't even test for nitrates in my QT.

 

[Tripod1404]

How did you measure ammonia, you cannot use traditional test with water containing cumpramine.

 

[Reefiez]

Fish are not sensitive to nitrates, so don't even try.

It is my understanding that Nitrates are impossible to get to 0 in an average QT, so I am pretty curious to know how that was accomplished, as is the case here. Removing nitrates is one of the main reasons for water changes in an established QT right?

Just thought that if there was a new method or something, it would be awesome if everyone in the hobby at least hears about it, as it would reduce the amount of work (in terms of water change) for those who use a QT.

 

[GimpyFin]

It is my understanding that Nitrates are impossible to get to 0 in an average QT, so I am pretty curious to know how that was accomplished, as is the case here. Removing nitrates is one of the main reasons for water changes in an established QT right?

Just thought that if there was a new method or something, it would be awesome if everyone in the hobby at least hears about it, as it would reduce the amount of work (in terms of water change) for those who use a QT.

The bacteria needed to further break down nitrate to nitrogen gas are different than those that break down ammonia to nitrate. You generally won't have these in a QT because it's not an established system with highly porous rock, deep sand beds, etc. (Which is where these bacteria typically develop and thrive over time.) IMO, water changes in a QT are more important if using a non-cycled QT to prevent ammonia spikes. If it's cycled, nitrates aren't as much of a concern to fish (As Simon mentioned,) so it's not as important unless they get pretty high.

 

[CrayolaViolence]

How did you measure ammonia, you cannot use traditional test with water containing cumpramine.

Seachem badge. It's tests for toxic ammonia.

 

[juanmanuelsanch]

I took a sponge and left it in the sump 2-3 weeks before getting the QT tank, the sponge was full of bacteria. PLace it in the cascade filter (no carbon in it), of course it also transferred velvet or whatever killed the fish in my DT. But since the whole QT was going to be treated I was not worried.

Either way in the beginning I had to make water changes every 2-3 days. Now I do it once a week.

Also an update. The fish died, I tried a fresh water dip and that kill him, probably shock or heart attack since he had problem breathing.

For testing ammonia Im using red sea kit, nitrites and nitrate still using API kit to deplete them and use red sea from now on...