fish stocking list. Help

Soccernut5824

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so i know i posted a list a while back but iv changed my mind about some fish so here is the new list i would like. tank is a 120g 4x2x2

Currently in tank
1 yellow eye kole tang
1 yellow tail damsel
2 yellow clown gobys

what i want:
1 diamond watchman goby
3 female Maldives Lyretail Anthias
1 male Maldives Lyretail Anthias
2 Ocellaris clownfish
1 flame angle (added last)

is 12 fish too many for a 4x2x2 120g tank?
 
What skimmer, Filtration, how much LR, how old is the system, how fast do you plan on adding? These are all contributors, but if done right, I think you will be fine. :)
 
If you have the proper filtration equipment, the 12 fish are definitely ok. They are all pretty small fish and won't generate the kinds of load that big fish do. My 8" french angel probably generates more load than all your fish combined.
 
im running a 40br as a sump 3 chambers the first is intake with filter socks then the middle is about a 15g fudg and the last is the return chamber. im not running a skimmer or doseing or adding anything. my goal is a more natural tank that kind of services it self. in the future i do plan on doing a water change every couple months. i have about 45 lbs of rock in my sump and 95 in my tank. i have had fish in the system for about 3 months and coral for about a month.

for adding ill start with the anthias then a goby and then im going to also add a royal gramma, then clowns, and lastly after my reef has been established ill add the flame angle.

you guys think this will work?
 
No you need a protein skimmer. I've seen people be succesful with ATS(Algae Turf Scrubber)

You may be successful short term but long term with that fish list. Your Nitrates are going to go up and up... Bad Idea buy a skimmer.
 
Doing water changes every couple of months while not running a skimmer? That's pretty contradictory. Unless you have a very effective way to remove all of the nitrate generated, you are likely going to have to change water every week to two weeks to keep nitrate low, especially with a bioload of 12 fish.

Get a good skimmer. There is a reason why pretty much everyone with a saltwater tank uses one.
 
Your worried about your stock list but dont have a skimmer yet? I think you need to concentrate on the setting up on your tank and then worry about your stock list. IMO this should have been considered before even filling the tank up.

Do you even have a quarantine tank yet?

Not trying to be harsh, just trying to offer advice, but I see you say your impatient, I think you should slow down and learn to be patient. Its not easy. None of us here like being patient but its better if you are. My best advice to patience if you are impatient is to do one thing. Wait.

Skimmers to look at. Reef Octopus, Bubble Magnus, Vertex, Eshopps, and there are a few others.

Nothing in this hobby happens fast. If you been on here logn enough, you should have read that once or a billion times
 
okay, i see no need for a skimmer at this point i plan on running mostly LPS with a monti or 2 and they are the the hardiest SPS. by what people have said the fish selection has a very low bio-load, and they are all easy to care for fish that will eat algae off the rocks and sand, with a light feeding every night. If your worried about nitrates in my tank, they shouldn't be a problem i run filter socks and change them out every other day but eventually will do without them, also i have a ball of cheato that is about the size of truck tire and growing rapidly i take about 1 sq foot off of it weekly. Yes it is packed full of pods. even tho my tank is only 3 months old the fudge i would say is very mature. everything that im going to be putting into the tank will eat and clean it in everyday possible.

Waterchanges - what is the point as long as you have good oxygen in the water and nothing is in your water that you dont want. why take out perfectly good water just to replace it with the same "fresh" water it is very possible to keep your water "fresh" with out water changes.

my system has not had any flaws thus far and untill it does im going to stick with my original plan. i do have room for a reef octo space saver if i need to add one down the road. iv been planing this tank for about a year now and when i say im impatient i mean im impatient to get feed back but i can wait for results. iv done plenty of research about skimmerless tank and i feel im building a healthy one right now.

just because im 16 and maybe there's alot of grammar and spelling errors in this post doesn't mean my system is going to fail. i appreciate the concern and feed back very much. thank you.

so if anyone else has advice besides get a skimmer it would be appreciated.
 
okay, i see no need for a skimmer at this point i plan on running mostly LPS with a monti or 2 and they are the the hardiest SPS. by what people have said the fish selection has a very low bio-load, and they are all easy to care for fish that will eat algae off the rocks and sand, with a light feeding every night. If your worried about nitrates in my tank, they shouldn't be a problem i run filter socks and change them out every other day but eventually will do without them, also i have a ball of cheato that is about the size of truck tire and growing rapidly i take about 1 sq foot off of it weekly. Yes it is packed full of pods. even tho my tank is only 3 months old the fudge i would say is very mature. everything that im going to be putting into the tank will eat and clean it in everyday possible.

Waterchanges - what is the point as long as you have good oxygen in the water and nothing is in your water that you dont want. why take out perfectly good water just to replace it with the same "fresh" water it is very possible to keep your water "fresh" with out water changes.

my system has not had any flaws thus far and untill it does im going to stick with my original plan. i do have room for a reef octo space saver if i need to add one down the road. iv been planing this tank for about a year now and when i say im impatient i mean im impatient to get feed back but i can wait for results. iv done plenty of research about skimmerless tank and i feel im building a healthy one right now.

just because im 16 and maybe there's alot of grammar and spelling errors in this post doesn't mean my system is going to fail. i appreciate the concern and feed back very much. thank you.

so if anyone else has advice besides get a skimmer it would be appreciated.

Ok Im gonna touch on this.

First one Skimmer and why

A skimmer is being suggesting now cause why wait til you have a problem? Now is the perfect time and if you chose not to that your business. We are offering advice. A skimmer will export nutrients from your tank, whether or not you have a high or low bioload. Once you have fish, they poop. The food they dont eat is more waste. if you dont have anything pulling this waste out, guess where it goes? Nowhere. And as people have mentioned, with PROPER FILTRATION, 12 fish wouldnt be a problem. A skimmer is part of this filtration. So if you dont want to get a skimmer thats up to you. But then your going to be doing water changes....and that leads into the next topic

You dont see a need for water changes. Ok lets explore why. First off it looks like you want a reef tank. Water changes are going to be needed. For one, one of the same reasons to have a skimmer. To remove nutrients from the tank. Once again, if you dont remove the waste, it doesnt go anywhere. Seoncd reason for water changes. Once you have coral in there, they are going to use up magnesium, alkalinity, and calcium. These elements get depleted. Yes you can dose, but the easiest ways to replenish them are water changes. But before you say I can just dose, keep in mind that there are other elements that need replenishing such as iodine, strondium and others.

These are the two main methods used for nutrient export. There is no way I would rely on a fuge to remove nutrients from my tank. Its not enough.

On top of all that your talking about have a tank with monti. An SPS, which if you look at the needs for SPS, water changes and skimmer are going to be more helpful than you can tell now. Even before I had a heavy load on my tank, my skimmer would pull out 1/2 to an inch of green crap into the skimmer cup in 3 days. You cant see all those nutrients, well not until the skimmer pulls it out.

And just because you arent running into any issues now, doesnt mean you wont. And chances are you will run into some challenges. To assume your tank will run flawless, you are already setting yourself up for problems.

And no one is saying your system is going to fail. We are offering you our advice, from experience. Know what you do with it, is up to you.
 
okay for the skimmer u have a good point but im going to try skimmer less before i go out and buy one but if i do see major problems coming i will get one.

again i appreciate everyone concern and advice thats why im asking questions and talking to people on here

water change- the way i see it is there is no need for a big water change every week. but is 10 gallons a week good. through running my MH and fudg lights i lose about a gallon and a half of water a day so in turn im doing a 10.5 gallon water change weekly and one week every 2 months topping off with SW to keep my salinity up at 1.025.

yes one SPS does need alot of care but do a quick Google on skimmerless tanks many people have done it with very needy SPS. and i only plan on having one monti which has been growing over the 2 weeks i have had him.
 
I have read about skimmerless tanks prior to this thread. But have you looked at their maintenance schedule? Im sure they do more. And Im sure they do water changes.

Why skimp on the water changers by 2 gallons? That doesnt seem logical to me. Once again, water changes are for replenishing trace elements. So to go alogn with this, what is your alk, mag and calc?? Do you have an accurate phosphate reading?

I think you are trying to shorten the maintenance which in the long run is going to hurt you more than help.
 
okay for the skimmer u have a good point but im going to try skimmer less before i go out and buy one but if i do see major problems coming i will get one.

again i appreciate everyone concern and advice thats why im asking questions and talking to people on here

water change- the way i see it is there is no need for a big water change every week. but is 10 gallons a week good. through running my MH and fudg lights i lose about a gallon and a half of water a day so in turn im doing a 10.5 gallon water change weekly and one week every 2 months topping off with SW to keep my salinity up at 1.025.

yes one SPS does need alot of care but do a quick Google on skimmerless tanks many people have done it with very needy SPS. and i only plan on having one monti which has been growing over the 2 weeks i have had him.

On the water change topic... Don't count top-off as part of the process. Only pure water evaporates. Hopefully, you are topping off with good quality water to match the evaporation rate. The top off process does not replace trace elements nor does it reduce the concentration of wastes. Those are the reasons we do water changes. I highly recommend reading Randy's article on water changes. It can be found in the reef chemistry section IIRC.

At the least, I think you should consider a 5g weekly or 15-20g monthly schedule for water changes.
 
On skimmers... I ran without one for years. My fish did fine, so did all the algae in my tank. It worked, but was not pretty. I battled hair algae, bryopsis, caulerpa, and turf algae for years. Life without a skimmer means more water changes, nutrient export by growing algae and removing it, or some type of turf filter to remove nutrients.

If you want to keep SPS alive, long term, you will need something.
 
my levels have been this for the past month and a half

calcium - 520ppm
phosphate - 0.0-.25ppm
nitrite - 0ppm
nitrate - 0ppm
alk - 179ppm
ammonia - 0ppm
Ph - 8.2

using red sea test kits and API.

i check my levels every other day.
 
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