Flying Dutch 700 gallon in wall tank-living room/home office divider - Build Thread

[Euler Kernighan]

Powder browns and blues are some of the hardest fish to keep from everyonne ive talked to. i wouldnt get too down on yourself, between the capturing methods and the low survivability rate as it, its luck of the draw sometimes

yep but you know... two deaths in one day... :sad2:

 

[Robb in Austin]

Sorry to hear about the PB.

 

[TandN]

excellent build bro best of luck with it !!!!

 

[Euler Kernighan]

a HUGE disaster

a HUGE disaster

I got home from work right now and found maroon clownfish, yellow tail and kupang damsel deads... really don't know what to do... i've removed cheato yesterday and moved clown tang and firefox from QT to hospital tank...

right now clown tang doesn't appears so happy, he's trying to hide himself in some holes and firefox is very quite...

come on guys... any advice, suggestion, anything will be very very appreciated...

all paremeters, temp, orp, are ok!

:uhoh2:

 

[adam1980]

Hey Euler just a thought here, but do you think that keeping the fish in a small QT tank may have enticed the powder blue and the powder brown to have an ich outbreak which spread to the other fish. I have been unsucessfull in keeping any of those fish when i had a 90 gallon. And i believe the reason for that was becouse there was not enough swimming room. How big is the tank you had them in? Just my two cents.

 

[dahenley]

are you running carbon?
have you dosed anything? (meds or what not?)

there might be something in the water or something saturated in the sand or something.
carbon might be a good thing

 

[Euler Kernighan]

Hey Euler just a thought here, but do you think that keeping the fish in a small QT tank may have enticed the powder blue and the powder brown to have an ich outbreak which spread to the other fish. I have been unsucessfull in keeping any of those fish when i had a 90 gallon. And i believe the reason for that was becouse there was not enough swimming room. How big is the tank you had them in? Just my two cents.

Hi Adam, thanks for help! I don't know if we can blame ich at this time... I haven't noticed any signs of ich on fishies... just saw some thing on pd brown but I'm really not sure if was ich... and ich outbreak takes about 4 weeks, right? all fishes died in just 4 days...

about the size you're right, they are fishies for long tanks, but they all were pretty small about 2" or 2 1/2" - exception for pd brown 3" or 3 1/2".

I's using my 75g QT as a "first stage" for a 75g breeder tank and finnaly move them to DT - 350g. Do you think the breeder tank is so small?

 

[Euler Kernighan]

are you running carbon?
have you dosed anything? (meds or what not?)

yes. I running carbon, just left it in a "bag" in sump - but it's more than one month ago...

and I haven't dosed nothing just added a chunk of cheato...

there might be something in the water or something saturated in the sand or something.
carbon might be a good thing

yep and I can't figure out what it is... nothing has happened with the corals... I'll remove carbon immediately...

 

[Euler Kernighan]

the reaper was here...

the reaper was here...

that was a tragic week... the samcro's reaper came around and took almost everything:

RIP:
- Powder Brown
- Power Blue
- Maroon Clownfish
- Yellow tail damsel
- Kupang damsel
- and my prefereed one: CLOWN TANG "Billy Joe" - rest in peace my friend... I hope you passed through freely, and I will see you again on the other side.

Thanks God, this is the first day in this week that nobody has died let's keep it that way...

Survivors:
- Firefox - love this one!
- Blue tang (hepatus)
- skunk clownfish

I will do everything for you guys! keep alive!

 

[adam1980]

Hi Euler i do think that 75 may be a tad small for that many fish. My thought is if i ever did a qt tank it would have to be a 125 with everybit as good as flow as my main tank will have. Also with plenty of mature live rock for places to hide. A happy fish is a healthy fish lol. The main problem with QTs are that a lot of peaple do them as cheaply as possible and they end up making the fish unhappy witch then causes a flare up of whatever the fish may already have. I dont do a Qt simply becouse i can not afford to put in a 125 with great aquascaping and great flow and more lighting. I have found a dealer that buys from saltwatercreatures.com and when he gets the bags i get them home before they come out of the bags. and they go straight into my 200 DD marinland. Where so far I have had nothing but good luck. Nock on wood. I know this could be done safer if i had the money and time to put together another tank that was everybit as good as my display but i just dont. Also i only add topps 2 fish at a time. And thats once every six months or so. Best of luck E, great build so far!

 

[adam1980]

Any updates? How are the remaining 3 doing?

 

[Euler Kernighan]

Any updates? How are the remaining 3 doing?

Sorry for delay A19... they all has died... it's a PITA lost my fishies... we're not talking about the money here, it's about feelings, you know... and have to confess I was floored, you know, it's a kind of K.O.

it is time to take a deep breath, calm down and move on!

 

[Euler Kernighan]

it is not a t5 x MH x LED thread but...

it is not a t5 x MH x LED thread but...

Guys,

I going to buy some illumination but it's easier to decide whether to marry than to choose between the illumination approach... :headwally:

First round: T5s wins!
going once going twice and I've decide to go ALL t5, ok! So, I read a lot of threads here in RC, talked with some friends and bought 4x IceCap 660.


Second round: MH+T5
read another wonderful threads, lot of emails, checked countless TOTM, chat with friends and strictly decide to MH+t5 - ballast would be Gallaxy, 14K 400W bulbs from Hamilton and Lumen Bright's pendants... and...


final round (???): L.E.D

a friend of mine (Jose Antonio it's your fault) got a 12" AI Super Blue Module and took it to our friend's LFS to test how it works... ok, LED have the shimmer effect thing but Fernando (LFS owner) just combine LED+t5 and the result was amazing! And now here I am in doubt again... Fernando you motherfuc.ker!!!!

my questions are:
1 - do we have any TOTM 3+ yrs old LED tank?
2 - do you guys have any experience with other brands at the same level of AI?
3 - last but not least - choose a LED's brand is more difficult than choosing to go with LED.

if we talk about the same level players (are they?), we have a few brands, like AquaIlluminations, Vertex, Orphek, Radium EcoTech (??)

gimme some thought here!

 

[Robb in Austin]

I have no experience with LED, but if I was starting now it's what I would go with. I think the long term benefit, low energy usage coupled with probably never needing to replace them, is worth the initial cost.

The new system from Ecotech is mighty impressive. I've seen 1 module in person, and it lit up half of a 90g just as well as the 250w MH sitting right next to it. And the color options and other things you can do with it are pretty remarkable.

 

[Euler Kernighan]

. I think the long term benefit, low energy usage coupled with probably never needing to replace them, is worth the initial cost.

:thumbsup: i take no issue with that.

The new system from Ecotech is mighty impressive. I've seen 1 module in person, and it lit up half of a 90g just as well as the 250w MH sitting right next to it. And the color options and other things you can do with it are pretty remarkable.

do you think the red led make any difference?

i know there is no comparison of AI vs Ecotech Radion, but i wanna to hear something about the huge installed base of AI - customer services, support, etc and the felling of radion users...

 

[reefjunkie42]

i think you will be hard pressed to find a 3 + year old tank..the tech is reletivly new. I run AI lights and love them. I wouldnt consider anything other than AI and maybe radion... JM2C...I have also heard than the red spectrum isnt great for corals... Im not sure though. And why did you say there is no comparison between AI and Ecotech...Also you wont hear from any radion users yet...nobody has received the unit yet to my knowledge..

 

[Robb in Austin]

I'm not sure what the red adds, other than color enhancement in red/orange/pink corals.
I suppose the addition of the red LED simply adds to the possible color combinations possible.

But like reefjunkie mentions, you won't find any tanks that old with them.

 

[redneckgearhead]

I think the red spectrum is great for algae so I would avoid them

 

[Euler Kernighan]

i think you will be hard pressed to find a 3 + year old tank..the tech is reletivly new. I run AI lights and love them. I wouldnt consider anything other than AI and maybe radion... JM2C...

:thumbsup:

how can you control AI? by Apex? should I need buy any special item?

I have also heard than the red spectrum isnt great for corals... Im not sure though. And why did you say there is no comparison between AI and Ecotech...Also you wont hear from any radion users yet...nobody has received the unit yet to my knowledge..

I heard it too. About the comparison that's because you can find AI installed everywhere. I don't know, but it is seems it is the "oldest" LED's fixture for aquariums...

 

[Euler Kernighan]

I think the red spectrum is great for algae so I would avoid them

i heard that too here in RC, but you know, just speculations...

I'm not sure what the red adds, other than color enhancement in red/orange/pink corals.
I suppose the addition of the red LED simply adds to the possible color combinations possible.

But like reefjunkie mentions, you won't find any tanks that old with them.

you guys are right! i'm going to US again - LA at this time i'm quite sure that i'm going to buy some AI modules - just saw in AI's chart I think my tank needs 8 or 10 modules.

btw, any place to visit? :beer: