Foam stuff for the "rock work" look????

Why don't you do it and then you can just take a razor and clean it off afterwards!

Or you could just use some of that painting tape and some paper towels and mark off the area.

Peace,
John H.
 
Well its not the front panel or even the front half of the side panels I'm worried about. It's the rear side where it gets close to the foam. That would be impossible to scrape off and really hard to tape. I'm going to look into it though.
 
Not as easy as that sounds. I have foam on my side wall too which would make it impossible to get it perfectly against the surface because its not flat.
 
So I went and painted the background anyways. I used krylon fusion with river rock and hyacinth blue colors. It doesn't look the best but it is better. I put masking tape all the way around the tank to protect the glass. It was a real pain in the butt but it worked I think. I didn't bother covering every single spot because it will blend in anyways. I did a lot of the grey and just some of the blue to give it a natural undertone. It looks ok but it could use some purple. I am going to see if i can find some. It doesn't melt the foam as people have said. You just have to let the foam cure for a while.

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Hi Folks - Newbie warning!

First off I would like to say how informative this whole site is - well done for all your input.

Now - PU Foam is marvelous stuff we have; as has been said; used it over here for years but you have to know a few things about it. As you know a light misting with water helps it to set it better, but that doesn't always help as I shall explain. The stuff you and I use reacts with the moisture in the air, this starts as soon as it leaves the nozzle, the swelling of the foam is a result of CO2 being generated, a secondary reaction causes the stuff to harden from the outside in. This is what causes your foam to curl and shrink, if you make a big blob of the stuff and leave it a day or so then cut it in half the middle will still be wet and under pressure from the self generated gas! Remember it is closed cell foam, with large flat areas this distorts the sheet and causes it to bow either way. The fact that the outside has set prevents the inside from foaming and as CO2 is a natural dessicant there is no moisture for it to react with.

The solution to this is to poke a hole into the centre of the larger masses after it has set for say 8 hours or so, use a nail or screw driver, nothing large is needed, then sit back and watch how much foam will eventuall come out of the hole you made :eek1: For really big blobs make a couple of holes, then trim off the branches that are formed. Spraying water on it just makes the skin form quicker and with big blobs it makes the internal pressure worse.

I would like to say that I made a very impressive backdrop a few years back by using foam and Tuffa Rock, it is very popular over here, you get a sack full of lumps (56lb) put it preferably over someone else drain and blast it with a pressure washer (big mess warning) What you have left is a coralline skeleton from millions of years ago, this can be sawn up into slabs with a normal handsaw and foam glued to the sides and back of your tank. Mostly people do not paint it, firstly it darkens up after a few days anyway and the coralline seems to love the stuff regardless.

I also found out that it doesn't actually "stick" to glass, what holds it up (well IMHO) is the fact that it is firstly vacuum that keeps it attached to the glass, and once submerged the water capilaries in and holds it even better, once you tug at it it doesn't go back the same and a little fresh foam is need to get it going again.

As far as UV resistance goes i have some in the side of my house that has been is sunlight for at least 10 years and only the top 1/8" has discoloured, none of it has really disintegrated.
 
Great info! I had a spot where I attempted to make a pillar coming out and about 2 hours later it had erupted like a volcano and was sticking out like 6"x 3" around so I had to tear it off.

I feel that throwing the sand on the wet foam really helped to texture it out and now I am securing what's left on there with the paint. The spots that have no sand on them anymore look shiny and smooth (you can see them in the picture compared to the textured areas) and I like the sandy spots much more.
 
It will be interesting to see how the stuff holds up after a year or so. I do have a little input. About a year ago I sprayed great stuff around my outside AC unit where it hooks to my house. A year later (being in the sun every day) it started breaking down and is chalky on the outside and very pitted with the smooth outside coating being gone. The stuff I sprayed inside my attic about the same time hasn't seemed to change. The stuff outside the house has totally changed and been broken down by the sun.

I understand and know this stuff is easy to work with and not to mention light, but has anyone every thought of actually using different kinds of rock and crushed shells/aragonite simply epoxied directly to the back glass to give the same effect? Maybe epoxy it to a piece of plexiglass and just set in the tank may be better? I know it could get heavy, but depending on the type of rock (ie: lava rock) it may not be too bad.

This would be a sure fire way to ensure nothing bad for now or the future is in your tank and would look more natural from the beginning.
 
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Alright, here is my idea. I want to bounce this off of you guys to get some input

Objective: To creat overhangs on the sides and backs of the tank by creating "removable inserts" to be mixed in amongst the LR

Such as the LR overhangs in JD130's tank (your tank is awesome! Hope you don't mind me using your pic as a reference!)

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Method: Create a mold of the piece by using actual dry base rock to make the mold (method to be determined....suggestions?)

ONce the mold has been made, it will be filled with either Great Stuff foam, or something like this ( http://www.dickblick.com/zz335/23/ ) or this ( http://www.dickblick.com/zz349/31/ )

Once the cast has been created and hardened, I would cover it with epoxy to prevent "undesireables" from leaching into the tank (even though all of this stuff is supposedly non-toxic)

From there, I could finish it off by covering it with sand or concrete

Thoughts??
 
You need to think backwards on this one - first of all choose your rock that will be used for the "outcrop". Then cover it in (this is where we differ) "cling film" ( I think you guys call it saran wrap) carefully and closely cover it in foam about an 1" thick. Let this set and slice it open laterally and remove the two halves of your mold. Then line your now negative mold with "cling film" ( the stuff you wrap you sandwitches in) and fill it full of foam again. This will give you a rough approximation of the original, alernatively find a rock that will do the job, carve a hole for it and foam it in, using a bit of wood for support for a couple of hours. Anything is possible. :)
 
Well, I gave up on the expanding foam. I wanted to make a waterfall out of the stuff for a frog terrarium. I found a LARGE chunk of styrofoam in the road that I carved into shape and covered with a layer of concrete. The styrofoam held its shape much better and provided a better bonding surface for the concrete.

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Close up pic
 
Here is an empty tank shot as I set it up. It looks good with just the hyacinth blue and river rock grey colors on it to me.

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The paint doesn't hold well. You must have to do a lot of layers. It is holding in most spots but where it was getting some rubbing as I put the rocks in it is peeling off. Its no biggy tho. It looks fine in the semi bare spots because its not like a retreating line, its more of a mottled area. The background almost floated out of the tank when I filled er up. I shoved the rocks in and its holding it back pretty well but its far less than water tight. It has some flow going behind it! Kinda like a built in refugium/DSB (or at least the equivalent of a detritus pocket:rolleye1: :) haha
 
Gotta love those detritus pockets... always nice to know that you've got a reservoir of phosphates and nitrates slowly leaching back into your pristine reef for the purposes of nuisance algae growth! :D

Peace,
John H.
 
rufio173 said:
Gotta love those detritus pockets... always nice to know that you've got a reservoir of phosphates and nitrates slowly leaching back into your pristine reef for the purposes of nuisance algae growth! :D

Peace,
John H.

And the sarcastic post of the day award goes to...

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Thank you... Thank you!!! I've worked patiently for years to hone my keen sense or sarcasm and to be finally rewarded means so much to me! :)

Peace,
John H.
 
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