For You Guys With Controllers

I lost track of this post months ago, I never even knew it had reached page 2.

The reason I dont use SCR's are:

They are more complicated to use, so it cuts out the DIY experience for some people.

You need to worry about Heat sinks.

They Can burn out in a ON State much more easily than Relays.

They consume extra power that is wasted in the Form of heat.

The only advantage is the lack of the clicking sound. If your using this plug setup on a Wave Maker then that would be a problem, but this circuit is for high powered devices like chillers and MH so I dont know why a click every few hours would make someone want to use SCR's.

Relays are very very reliable, in my opinion much more reliable than SCR's. SCRs have been on the Market for over two decades and still many mission critical pieces of equipment depend on Relays. They just work and work for decades in most cases. eg Elevator control boxes

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I actually ended up using a contactor inside a 6x6x4 box. Worked out perfectly. I also put a bypass switch on it just in case the contactor ever fails. I'll try and get some pics.
 
i finally summoned up the cajones to give this a try...

i have a 1000w heater, 1600w of MH lights, and a 1/2hp chiller...and a lighthouse controller. needless to say, it didn't appreciate the heater+MH combo.

i'll likely leave the chiller on it's own...it seems to fend for itself just fine.

that left a couple of things i needed to get off of the lighthouse power strip, so...i just decided if i'm going to do it, i might as well shift the lights and heater both to relays - that way, when i add things down the road, i won't need to mess with it, as the lighthouse power strip should be able to handle whatever else i might want to throw at it.

after some fiddling, i noticed what is probably obvious to anybody with any electrical knowledge (which is why it took me some fiddling to notice it, of course) - the top row on the relay (not used in the original diagram) will trigger on when the current from the controller line is off.

being as i run the refugium, and eventually frag tank lighting on the opposite schedule as the display tank, this seemed like a natural.

i ended up doing 2 relays pretty much as described in the original diagram, just substituting an electrical outlet for the female part of the extension cord. 1 for the heater, and one to feed juice to 2 400w MHs (these are 20Ks, so i treat them pretty much as 'actinic' according to the controller)

the last one, i wired two outlets to...when the controller sends power to the relay, the display tank lights kick in...when the controller cuts power to the relay, the refugium lights kick in.

i don't have a camera handy, but i was bored and buzzed enough to attempt a doodle.

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Here is my version of these relays. I have been using these since June and they have been working great! No problems with any of them, and I have 10 of them in service.

These can be used with Timers, AquaControllers, ReefKeepers and etc. It can handle any device up to 15 amps (you can get higher rated relays). This is enough amperage for MH, Chillers, Large Pumps and etc. The power source can be a different source than that of the controller allowing you to run numerous high amp devices on one DC8. It will not draw power from your controller source (Timer, DC8, RK and etc). These expansion blocks give the same stability to your X10 as what the DC8’s have.

Below I will include two wiring diagrams:

Version 1 can be used as a wave-maker or for turning lights on/off in reverse cycles and etc. Two devices can be controlled using one relay and one Timer, X10, DC8 or ReefKeeper plug socket. The on/off of power heads surge are very hard on X10 modules and will wear them out quickly. This is a great option and it will not wear out as quickly, and will also protect your X10 from power surges. And you only need one control device to run two power heads, lights and etc. This will free up plug sockets on your controller for other devices.

Version 2 can be used to control two devices exactly the same. I have my fan lights and my PC plugged in to use the same relay. When the lights come on, my cooling fan also comes on. Both devices run using one relay and one controller plug socket, freeing up plug sockets on your controller for other devices.

Tools needed:
Straight blade screw driver
Knife (box knife)
Wire stripper
Crimper or pliers

Parts Needed:
1. 1 - 15 Amp DpDt Relay *go to http://www.mcmaster.com and order part #69585K58 (Compact Spade-Terminal Relay 120 Vac, 15 Amp, Dpdt, 8 Terminal, LED & Test Button) for $7.74. Radio Shack also carries a relay that can be used.
2. 1 â€"œ deep plastic nail-on single gang electric box
3. 1 â€"œ receptacle cover plate
4. 1 â€"œ 15 amp Duplex Receptacle
5. 8 â€"œ small spades (Red)
6. 1- yellow wire nut
7. Electric tape or nylon zip ties.
8. 2 â€"œ power cords *the one that will hook to the controller can be a light weight two prong plug, the other that will plug into the 120 volt outlet should be 3 prong and as heavy as the device you are going to run with it. I get cut my cords form dead appliances, cheap extension cords or if you know some one that installs computers for a business, they can usually get old computer plugs; they work great!


Steps:
1. Pull the nails from your single gang box (unless you intend to use them), if you have a control center, you can use small screws and screw them from inside the box onto your board. Knock out one hole in the bottom of the box.
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2. Cut the ends from your cords.
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3. Cut two 6” section form the end of the cord for a version 1 (wave maker). For version two, cut one 6”. If you have other wire you can use it for the jumper wires. You will also need to keep one of the green ground wires for a jumper too.
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4. Put both of your plug wires into the box. Pull the wires out about 8 inches and wrap the wires several times with electrical tap or place the zip tie here. This is to keep the wires from pulling out of the box, so you want the tap or tie to be large enough that you can’t pull the wires back out of the box.
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5. Cut the material from the wires up to the tape or zip tie, so that they are all loose. Be careful not to cut into the copper wire. If you do, wrap the bare spot 2 or 3 wraps with the electric tape. Or cut the wire short enough to get rid of the bad spot and reposition your tap or zip tie accordingly.

6. Strip ¼ inch form the tips of all black and white wires. If you have a soldering gun, it is good to tine all the stranded wire tips.

7. Strip ½ inch from the tips of all green wires.

8. Crimp a red spade on all the black and white wires. (I always pull on them a bit to be sure they are secure). If you don’t have a crimper, use pliers and squeeze them as tight as you can.

9. Twist all the ground (green) wires together and twist on the yellow wire nut.
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10. Label your cords so you can know after the box is closed which goes to the 120 outlet and which goes to the controller source. I use white electrical tape for this.
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11. Configure the receptacle according to which expansion block you want to make.
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12. Wire the relay according to the version you want using these wiring diagrams:

Version 1
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Version 2
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13. Use the electrical tape to cover any exposed metal parts on the relay. Your project should be looking something like this by now.
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14. Gently place the relay in the bottom of the electrical box.
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15. Then place the receptacle and cover plate over the top of it.

This is a finished Version One. I use it to turn my sump lights on/off for a reverse photo period.
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This is a version two which controlls two devices with the same settings. I use it to turn my fans on at the same time my lights come on.
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"These expansion blocks give the same stability to your X10 as what the DC8’s have."

do they act as filters as well as taking on the load of the item being turned on?
 
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