Koddie Doo
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Blue tang in the fowlr has ich should i use formalin or what?
Formalin?
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Charlie's Angel
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I am fighting the same thing with my achilles in my reef. Leaving it in and feeding it soaked foods in garlic and selcon and hoping for the best. Good luck.
beapeams
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Check your water. My fish use to have ich all the time, once I started paying more attention to the water quality of my tank, the ich disappeared. I also, worked on providing a varied diet instead of just adding garlic and vitamins. Now I only add vitamins once a week and no longer use garlic. I have even added fish that had ich since and their ich disappears within a week and the other fish never get it.
Also, make sure no one else in the tank is stressing him.
Also, make sure no one else in the tank is stressing him.
mjpelikan
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for ich, i wouldn't use formalin (having used it for worse nasties...) I would make sure my water is in good condition, check for other stressors ( an aggressive fish) and just let him be, if it doesn't get better, then put all the fish in a quarantine for 2 months with hyposalinity (low sg) and leave your main tank fishless, and the ich dies 
maxxII
Super Housemonkey!
IIRC, Formalin doesnt work on Ich. Cant penetrate the capsule of the parasite. It will kill the free swimming parasites in the water column, but wont affect the had egg cases you see on the side of the fish(Salt grain looking things..forget the name of them.)
For Ich, the only two treatments are hyposalinity, (1.009 for 2-4 weeks...ie 2 weeks after the last spot is seen on the fish) or copper treatement.
Nick
For Ich, the only two treatments are hyposalinity, (1.009 for 2-4 weeks...ie 2 weeks after the last spot is seen on the fish) or copper treatement.
Nick
I mentioned this in Charlie's Angel thread. VITAMIN C
Selcon or other products don't have enough Vit. C.
Benefits of Vitamin C:
-detoxifies the livers of the fishes. This may be really important if your fish were caught using the cyanide method, still too frequently practiced. I am not saying it will cure all fishes that were caught with cyanide but it will certainly help agreat deal of them. It certainly is worth trying as you may indeed save a fish that would otherwise have died.
-prevents, to a large degree, bacterial infections from spreading rapidly and becoming or developing into sores on the body of fishes, or affecting corals to to a degree that they start to "melt" as some hobbyists call it. The latter is characterised by the coral polyp disintegrating into a white toothpaste like matter or brown slime hovering over the coral polyp, while the latter decomposes.
can deal with minor outbreaks of common parasites and keep them from becoming widespread, negating the need to use other treatments to rid the fishes of them. The SW library contains another article that explains how to go about parasite eradication in far more detail than this article does
-builds up and strengthens the immune system of the fishes by allowing the evacuation of heavy metals, for instance
-heals wounds
-heals mouth rot scars
-heals lesions from black spot disease
-effective in combating lateral line disease when used in the proper amounts (large dosages which are listed later)
-effective in combating hole-in-the-head disease, again, if used in large dosages (as explained later)
-greatly reduces the outbreak of parasitic attacks as the fishes are strengthened and able to fight them off, thus preventing large scale parasitic infestations
-cleans up the water to some degree
-beneficial to most corals on which we have tried it as well
-can very safely be used in reef tanks. Many other medications cannot, as many of you who have tried to do have experienced (antibiotics and copper are good examples).
-much better than copper and/or antibiotics since it is not destructive in nature. The approach is different in this case. What we really are doing is building up the fishes and corals' abilities to deal with disease, infection and parasites, rather than killing off the parasites and bacteria, and stressing the animals even more in the process
-safe for use in all aquariums, including reefs
-some report that minor outbreaks of algae have been eliminated since they started using C. This is an area that I plan to research a great deal also. I was not aware of it until several hobbyists started to point it out and wanted to know why this was happening. The only explanation at this time is that the oxidative power of C is probably the reason, but I am speculating and need to research this further. The fact remains though that these are findings hobbyists have reported to me.
More info can be found here:
http://www.athiel.com/lib/vitC496.html research done by Albert Thiel
A thread of people using Vit C here on RC, w/mention of someone who's tang had ich, but went away after using C:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1252294&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
I ordered an extra bottle of the Sodium Ascorbate from iherb.com. If you'd like to have it and start using C, you may have it immediately, as long as you order another bottle for me to replace the one I'm giving you. You need to have a good complete buffer on hand though to use Vit C.
Best of luck,
Kelly
Selcon or other products don't have enough Vit. C.
Benefits of Vitamin C:
-detoxifies the livers of the fishes. This may be really important if your fish were caught using the cyanide method, still too frequently practiced. I am not saying it will cure all fishes that were caught with cyanide but it will certainly help agreat deal of them. It certainly is worth trying as you may indeed save a fish that would otherwise have died.
-prevents, to a large degree, bacterial infections from spreading rapidly and becoming or developing into sores on the body of fishes, or affecting corals to to a degree that they start to "melt" as some hobbyists call it. The latter is characterised by the coral polyp disintegrating into a white toothpaste like matter or brown slime hovering over the coral polyp, while the latter decomposes.
can deal with minor outbreaks of common parasites and keep them from becoming widespread, negating the need to use other treatments to rid the fishes of them. The SW library contains another article that explains how to go about parasite eradication in far more detail than this article does
-builds up and strengthens the immune system of the fishes by allowing the evacuation of heavy metals, for instance
-heals wounds
-heals mouth rot scars
-heals lesions from black spot disease
-effective in combating lateral line disease when used in the proper amounts (large dosages which are listed later)
-effective in combating hole-in-the-head disease, again, if used in large dosages (as explained later)
-greatly reduces the outbreak of parasitic attacks as the fishes are strengthened and able to fight them off, thus preventing large scale parasitic infestations
-cleans up the water to some degree
-beneficial to most corals on which we have tried it as well
-can very safely be used in reef tanks. Many other medications cannot, as many of you who have tried to do have experienced (antibiotics and copper are good examples).
-much better than copper and/or antibiotics since it is not destructive in nature. The approach is different in this case. What we really are doing is building up the fishes and corals' abilities to deal with disease, infection and parasites, rather than killing off the parasites and bacteria, and stressing the animals even more in the process
-safe for use in all aquariums, including reefs
-some report that minor outbreaks of algae have been eliminated since they started using C. This is an area that I plan to research a great deal also. I was not aware of it until several hobbyists started to point it out and wanted to know why this was happening. The only explanation at this time is that the oxidative power of C is probably the reason, but I am speculating and need to research this further. The fact remains though that these are findings hobbyists have reported to me.
More info can be found here:
http://www.athiel.com/lib/vitC496.html research done by Albert Thiel
A thread of people using Vit C here on RC, w/mention of someone who's tang had ich, but went away after using C:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1252294&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
I ordered an extra bottle of the Sodium Ascorbate from iherb.com. If you'd like to have it and start using C, you may have it immediately, as long as you order another bottle for me to replace the one I'm giving you. You need to have a good complete buffer on hand though to use Vit C.
Best of luck,
Kelly
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UV sterilizer or Ozone in to your skimmer intake? plus Ozone makes you water clearer., I have used one for a year now and no problems. use and orp controller to make sure you don't over do it.
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