Frameless 60 Cube Foam?
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Reefer4evaa
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I think 1 inch is overkill..in the past I used less than 1/2 and the tank was ok..I also used the soft foam (almost like styrofoam )and worked really well
fishguy306
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The stand that Marineland sells for their rimless cube is open topped and only supports the tank around the edge, maybe an inch on each side. They require this stand to be used if you want the tank's warranty. So that said, I think if I were building a stand I would follow a similar design if that is the only style Marineland recommends using.
uncleof6
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That is what they recommend, but it is not a sound design for a rimless tank. I would not suggest that this concept be carried beyond this particular tank.
fishguy306
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So would not recommend using Marineland's stand in this case? I know in general rimless tanks should be fully supported with foam under them. I guess I made the assumption (perhaps incorrectly) that Marineland would produce the stands so that they provide adequate support.
uncleof6
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The bottom is tempered I assume, and the "exposure" is only around 16" give or take, but they are trusting a bit too much in my opinion. Here is the thing however, they warrant that tank on that stand. E.G. If the tank does fail, due to the configuration of the stand, they pay for the damages to the residence. Hence I would not suggest this type of stand construction for any other rimless tank...
fishguy306
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Fair enough, thank you for the explanation. That said, you have me worried now, it is the same design on the 93 gal rimless cube, open topped stand with only support around the edge. I don't recall ever seeing a tempered sticker or the logo in any of the corners to imply it is tempered, I guess that does not mean that it is not however. I wasn't a fan of the stand when I bought the tank but wanted the warranty to come with it, that is the trade off I suppose.
davocean
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Not sure of your particular tank, but I believe at least some of marineland tanks even though they are rimless still have a braced /trimmed bottom, and that would allow the use of open bottom/stock stand, but in any case you should always check manufacturer suggestions or requirements, as not all tanks are built the same, not all have the same support requirements.
NanoReefWanabe
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does marine land recommend any foam be used with this tank and stand?
it would seem to me that an open top stand would kind of defeat the purpose of using foam anyway…
the purpose of the foam is strictly to alleviate any pressure points that may be caused by sand hair dust etc on the top of the stand, if there is no top i see no need for foam…using foam may void the warranty…
for a custom built tank and stand there is no reason you couldn't use the 1" foam it is just huge over kill and you would need to fabricate someway to hide it, as it is not the most sightly thing.
it would seem to me that an open top stand would kind of defeat the purpose of using foam anyway…
the purpose of the foam is strictly to alleviate any pressure points that may be caused by sand hair dust etc on the top of the stand, if there is no top i see no need for foam…using foam may void the warranty…
for a custom built tank and stand there is no reason you couldn't use the 1" foam it is just huge over kill and you would need to fabricate someway to hide it, as it is not the most sightly thing.
davocean
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Actually using that thickness of foam can cause too much reverse pressure on some tank bottoms and actually could cause issues.
Because each are built different, you really should know and do what that particular tank manufacturer recommends.
uncleof6
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It depends, as already stated, on how the bottom of a particular tank is configured. Certainly, a tank with a floated bottom (rimless; bottom up inside the sides by 1/4" or so, and rimmed tanks) will/can easily destroy the bottom if using foam. Semi-floated or non-floated bottoms, because the weight is not supported around the edges, rather spread across the bottom of the tank, even 1" foam, should not really cause a problem. However, most manufacturers are going to say "somewhat thinner" say in the 1/2" range, some will say just a "mat."
That said, since this is a significant topic, if the documentation for the tank does not included information on this topic, (which I find surprising, though it happens) it warrants a call to the manufacturer.
The rimless cubes (Marineland) are something of an enigma. I don't know how the bottom is configured, I see a split bottom seam in the pics of them, and I don't see a bottom frame. In my book, a rimless should not be on an open top stand, unless it has a full floated bottom, making it no different than a rimmed tank (at the bottom,) but then I don't work for, or speak for Marinland.
Hey all,
I know this thread has not be added to in a while but maybe I can keep it going.
I am sitting next to my new Marineland 60 rimless cube on the Marineland Ventura stand. I have been considering this foam issue for the safety of my living room and sanity of my significant other.
It does seem like alot of rimless tanks are used with foam on the bottom and I have been reading up on the subject as I don't need to be flooding my condo anytime soon.
Looking at the construction of the glass I can say that the bottom and sides are all the same thickness and that the bottom panel is inside the side panels. meaning the side glass pieces are sitting directly on the stand with the bottom trapped in the middle (if that makes sense). It would seem to me that they are going with the idea of the stand and the tank acting together to forces are applied like traditional bracing would on a glass tank.
I am early in the process now and could still add plywood and foam for support, but I can see marinelands point in not wanting you to add foam to there particular rimless tanks.
Still thinking on this one......
I know this thread has not be added to in a while but maybe I can keep it going.
I am sitting next to my new Marineland 60 rimless cube on the Marineland Ventura stand. I have been considering this foam issue for the safety of my living room and sanity of my significant other.
It does seem like alot of rimless tanks are used with foam on the bottom and I have been reading up on the subject as I don't need to be flooding my condo anytime soon.
Looking at the construction of the glass I can say that the bottom and sides are all the same thickness and that the bottom panel is inside the side panels. meaning the side glass pieces are sitting directly on the stand with the bottom trapped in the middle (if that makes sense). It would seem to me that they are going with the idea of the stand and the tank acting together to forces are applied like traditional bracing would on a glass tank.
I am early in the process now and could still add plywood and foam for support, but I can see marinelands point in not wanting you to add foam to there particular rimless tanks.
Still thinking on this one......
fishguy306
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With the sides built around the bottom it is designed to sit on the edges of the glass, not the bottom. By adding plywood then foam you would be changing how the tank sits on the stand.
Especially if you want to keep the warranty I would follow Marineland's instructions. I'm sure others will be able to confirm this soon. My Marineland cube, a 93 gal version, has been up 6 months with no foam and is looking great thus far.
Especially if you want to keep the warranty I would follow Marineland's instructions. I'm sure others will be able to confirm this soon. My Marineland cube, a 93 gal version, has been up 6 months with no foam and is looking great thus far.
miatawnt2b
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My 60 cube sits on a custom stand toped with a granite slab. I use a thin foam mat underneath cut from foam underlayment used for laminate flooring.
