Garf Grunge, Good or Garbage?

tallkooljp

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I am starting up my 125g again after a system crash and a move. I have a bunch of formally live rock that I need to reseed. So at the moment its pretty much dryed out white base rock now. I prefer not to buy a lot more rock since I dont really need more rock. I was thinking about getting some "grunge" from GARF to help get the coraline going again. What have been people's experience with grunge or any other suggestions of what to try?

Thanks,

Jim
 
Oh I beg to differ. I've received live sand from three places online (inland aquatics, bill's reef, and GARF) for my newish tank and while i have no reason to complain about the first two, GARF's sand is the only one of the three that gave me a noticable impact. A week or two after adding it i had several small tunicates growing as well as several kinds of worms tunneling through my sand bed. My nitrates finally fell as well (from 20~30 with twice a week water changes to under 5 with biweekly changes (I cant prove this was garf's sand, but it coincided very very nicely (i have 6" DSB in the refugium, 4~5" in the display)). All of this with only 5 pounds worth. In addition, the woman I dealt with on the phone was extremely nice and offered to sent me an extra pound or two for free.

Keep in mind when you order that this isn't sugar-fine sand - it's got a lot of crushed sea shells and gravel in it.

To me, this disclaimer on their order form page says it all:

"This form will work with all versions of Netscape and most versions of MOSAIC. This encompasses over 90 percent of all current Web users. If your browser does not support the FORM command with MAILTO features, we apologize. "

I respect anyone who's had a web presence for long enough to warn you to use MOSAIC as a browser.
 
I started a completely dead tank with GARF Grunge. I had 150 lb of Pavestone crushed limestone for a sandbed and 100 lbs of dead Tufa rock. The only thing "Live" I added was 2 lbs of Grunge.

Within three weeks I had purple coming up on the rocks and pods and critters scampering all over he place.

I would recommend it highly!
 
I was very dissappointed with the grunge I received. I ended up removing it bit by bit because all it seemed to do was trap detritus and make the tank look bad. Maybe mine had simply not matured for very long in their tanks, but I combed through it and found no signs of life (granted I'm sure there was plenty of stuff not visible to the naked eye). I ended up writing a letter about being dissappointed, to which I received no answer...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7998386#post7998386 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jessezm
I was very dissappointed with the grunge I received. I ended up removing it bit by bit because all it seemed to do was trap detritus and make the tank look bad. Maybe mine had simply not matured for very long in their tanks, but I combed through it and found no signs of life (granted I'm sure there was plenty of stuff not visible to the naked eye). I ended up writing a letter about being dissappointed, to which I received no answer...

This was the same situation that happened from the people I have talked to.
 
Your are correct in that it is pretty ugly stuff. I place it behind some rock work so I did not have to look at it.
 
I have always been happy with my grunge and other GARF purchases. I have used grunge in most of the tanks I have set up and will use it again...

Thanks,

Scott
 
I bought some "crude" from premiumaquatics. It is their stuff from the bottom of their giant rock holding pools. I am happy with what I got for the $1.49/# it is a bargain.
 
I bought some and really felt that it is a waste of money. There was absolutely nothing living except maybe some bacteria....maybe.

I still haven't (and won't be able to) get that ugly crap out of my tank.

I will never order from that place again.
 
Of the three tanks I have had only one has had Grunge. It grew the most Coraline algae in the most amount of different colors. I don't know if this was the cause, but it could have been. If my new tank doesn't start growing coraline algae very well I will put Grunge in this one as well.
 
I'll second dandy7200. I got it mainly because it was so cheap and I wanted to see if it did anything, and because I'm close enough that ground shipping gets to me overnight.

After I got it, I had a huge explosion in different types of worms, snails, pods, etc.
 
mleinhart, your post is classic! Havent heard that term in a long time..."MOSAIC". Why are so many IT guys into reefing? I would like to know what the attraction is! Take a look at the members... I would say that 60-70% of us are in IT! :)

Sorry for the OT post.... free BUMP.

TallcoolJP - IF you want to reseed, I have never used GARF grunge... but an excellent option is to just go buy some live rock rubble from your LFS or from someones established tank. Also, I have heard really good things about Walt Smith's Refugium Mud. HTH!! :)

-Tony
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7996687#post7996687 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mleinart
Oh I beg to differ. I've received live sand from three places online (inland aquatics, bill's reef, and GARF) for my newish tank and while i have no reason to complain about the first two, GARF's sand is the only one of the three that gave me a noticable impact. A week or two after adding it i had several small tunicates growing as well as several kinds of worms tunneling through my sand bed. My nitrates finally fell as well (from 20~30 with twice a week water changes to under 5 with biweekly changes (I cant prove this was garf's sand, but it coincided very very nicely (i have 6" DSB in the refugium, 4~5" in the display)). All of this with only 5 pounds worth. In addition, the woman I dealt with on the phone was extremely nice and offered to sent me an extra pound or two for free.

Keep in mind when you order that this isn't sugar-fine sand - it's got a lot of crushed sea shells and gravel in it.

To me, this disclaimer on their order form page says it all:

"This form will work with all versions of Netscape and most versions of MOSAIC. This encompasses over 90 percent of all current Web users. If your browser does not support the FORM command with MAILTO features, we apologize. "

I respect anyone who's had a web presence for long enough to warn you to use MOSAIC as a browser.
 
My zooplankton population is entirely from GARF grunge. My first tank was started with a 100% Grunge substrate and my DIY rock. I let my tank cycle with GRUNGE and homemade rock for about 4 months with no skimmer. I used actinic, 420nm, at 14 hrs./day for light. At first the life is slow to appear. After a month and a half, the new inverts were all over. By the time I actually put coral in the tank, it was completely overrun by a large variety of life forms. Some of the things I can see and identify are : several species of "pods", mini brittle stars, spaghetii worms, chitons, ctenophores, several different species of soft bodied worms and calcareous tube worms, rotifers, mysis, a variety of colored and clear sponges and several different species of coralline (dark red, purple, orange, pink).

Since my first tank, I have bought GRUNGE 2 more times. I have always been pleased with it. When you receive it, it has very little noticeable life in it. Amphipods or rotifers are the first things I see. If you let it sit in your tank and allow all the dormant life forms to develope, you will see it is not just a bag of sand, rubble and crap (tough it may appear that way). If you already have mature live rock or substrate in your tank, this life explosion will not see as dramatic. Also, running your skimmer during cycling with GRUNGE may remove many gametes from your water column and grunge; thus preventing, or slowing the development of your newly added plankton population before they have a chance to settle.

I still have my origional tank setup. I still find new creatures I have never seen in my other tanks with bought live rock. I hypothesize that some of the dormant organisms may take a year or two to develope into noticable creatures.
 
I didn't know they had a promo video. I answer most all my reply's with much detail. Search my posts. There is a nice long piece on the life cycle of gilled fungi should you feel inclined to learn something new.
I am simply a patient, note taking, very observant and scientific minded person. I think in depth and 3 dimensionally. These thought processes have saved me time, money and failure in my time as a reefer (and a human).
I am simply giving tallcolljp as much background information as I can. He can use this information, regardless of his decision on the GRUNGE
GRUNGE is not the only substrate innoculator. It may not be the best, or cheapest. I do know that it has proven to work for me.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8003049#post8003049 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by antjefferson
mleinhart, your post is classic! Havent heard that term in a long time..."MOSAIC". Why are so many IT guys into reefing? I would like to know what the attraction is! Take a look at the members... I would say that 60-70% of us are in IT! :)


I think the sample survey would be bias only because IT guys with reef tanks are more likely to visit forums .
 
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