Getting Certified

EvMiBo

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I'll be back and forth from Gainesville and Ft.Myers this summer. I want to get certified for numerous reasons... I have a few questions though:

Are there different types of licenses or certifcations? If so, what are the differences?

What amount of money should I be expecting to pay? I don't want the cheapest route but I don't want the most expensive either :lol:.

Do certifications/licenses need to be renewed after a certain amount of time?

Know any good places in the areas I mentioned (gville or ft.myers)?

Sorry if this has been asked too many times!!:rollface:
 
I'm PADI and the certification never expires. expect to buy Mask,gloves,snorkel,boots and fin's just to take classes
 
If you dive infrequently after certification, your skills may get rusty. There ARE refresher courses and they would be recommended before taking a long diving vacation. However, certifications do not "expire"
 
hehe you want trainging? You are in the heart of dive training. Look up GUE or WKPP, they are based in Gainsville. GUE trains for the toughest world breaking cave dives, the president of the nonprofit has the world record for longest dives, and deepest penetration of cave systems.

That said PADI is the way the world learns to dive (on their knees in the sand blowing out the vis for everyone else)

Agencies (PADI, NAUI, SSI) dont matter a whole lot, its all the instructor. That said I don't think you could go wrong with ANY GUE instructor.
 
PADI instruction is always a minimum of the proscribed protocol. A given instructor may add to it (although they are technically supposed to stick with the prescription) but the real difference is whether you personally are comfortable with a given instructor.
 
i'm NAUI certified right here in northern michigan diving in 40 degree water, i've taken beginner course and advanced diving now and i love it looking in rescue class then divemaster i'm only 23 perfect time for all this,all the instructors i had up here were great hope u have the same luck with your instructor cuz they can make the class so much easier for you
wally
 
If you dont plan to go beyond your open water certification and dont have any desire to take your diving to the next level than any agency (PADI, NAUI, SSI) makes no difference as long as the instructor is good. But, if you do decide to go on to more technical diving than you will want to look into GUE or WKPP as David P. mentioned.
Even if you are only diving for recreation taking technical diving classes will only make your diving more fun than just having your open water certification because those instructors will fine tune your diving and prepare you for any possible situation that may arise when you are out in the open water. So (in my instructors words...) "When Johnny OutOfGas comes up to you frantically ripping your reg out of your mouth at 100ft on the wreck...You will have the training to calmly diffuse the situation and get both of you back to the boat alive while still doing YOUR planned deco. On more of an everyday situation in the water, having more technical training will also allow you to focus on the DIVE and not your pressure gauge every second, where your buddy is, or any other thing that should be second nature but i see everybody that just has their open water certification do all the time! Doesnt sound like a big deal but when me and my fiance get back to the boat and are talking about the shark or seahorses we saw...the other guys that only have their open water certification missed those things because they were to busy paying attention to their pressure gauge or whatever. So I guess I would at least look into taking those technical diving classes.
 
NAUI is older and more about safety from what I have learned (I have NAUI). PADI isn't too bad my buddy is an instructor for them. I have heard that many places around the world will not take SSI. The safest is PADI if you start to dive around the world. No reason to go for a GUE instructor t this point. Wait until you have at least your AOW and some basic technical training done. It might be worth for you to do all of your training near home and then just enjoy your dives when you go down south. But do buy mask, fins, boots, and gloves. Sorry but snorkles are a waste.
 
I've got certifications with both PADI and NAUI. It is more important to find a good instructor that is more interested in teaching you to be a good diver, than what the agency is.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14704488#post14704488 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jeepman3sk
No reason to go for a GUE instructor t this point. Wait until you have at least your AOW and some basic technical training done.

What?!?! GUE now has open water classes. Yeah tell 'em to take inferior classes because they are easier. Go take AOW (good class horrible name) and Tech training BEFORE (Im assuming you mean) Fundies? Thats like saying, take the easy way, learn a bunch of bad habits, and then RElearn how to dive... couldn't disagree with you more.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14716892#post14716892 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by David P
What?!?! GUE now has open water classes. Yeah tell 'em to take inferior classes because they are easier. Go take AOW (good class horrible name) and Tech training BEFORE (Im assuming you mean) Fundies? Thats like saying, take the easy way, learn a bunch of bad habits, and then RElearn how to dive... couldn't disagree with you more.

Heh. :)

I didn't know that GUE now does OW classes either... Although I know more than a few instructors that are both PADI or NAUI instructors AND GUE instructors, so they were tending not to teach the bad habits in the first place. :)

Historically, that's been the way to go... Do PADI for a couple of classes to get certified, then do a GUE Fundies class to learn how to really dive. Brilliant that GUE decided to create an OW class...

Can I plug? Work with Doug Maudry of Extreme Exposure in High Springs. I've worked with him for years - nothing shy of the best, and super-friendly, too.
 
Yay, I'm now PADI OW certified. I did my 4 check dives at Vortex Spring in Florida this past weekend.

Because of how horrible the weather was, I think we actually had a far greater chance of a potential drowning on land than in the water!

-Tim
 
On the 3rd dive (ie: deep dive), it was "overlooked" with a wink and a nod when I strayed into the mouth of the cavern a bit while following an Eel. When I had actually realized that I was too low and about 10' inside of the cavern, I turned around to head back out and was greeted by one of our DM's that gave me an OK sign then pointed out and up. Both DM's and our Instructor seemed to be very cool with it, because at no time was anyone not within sight...

They all know that I'm really wanting to get involved in cave diving as well as solo, and even though we had a group of 4 OW students in the water at a time, I was "assigned" my own DM by the Instructor... My guess is because they had a feeling that I would be the one most likely to stray! :lol:

It was just too cool to look up and see tiny pockets of air trapped along the ceiling and KNOW that I was in fact well inside of the cavern. To be honest, the seriously reduced VIS in the shallower training areas freaked me out, but being completely confined in crystal clear waters inside the cavern didn't phase me in the slightest... I'm a former NSS member and am very comfortable in caves, so for me it just seemed second nature and like a natural progression if you will.

Ponce De Leon (north of Destin & Panama City), was hammered by severe flooding when we got hit with 7" of rain in just over 24 hours, and tornado sirens were going off everywhere. A couple of times the lightening was very close, so we were told just get under the water and hover about midpoint in 20-30' to avoid grounding out on land. I was in group #2, and while #1 was in the water on Saturday, we had near zero viability on land due to the sideways rain bands that were hitting us like bullets. Even being inside the shelter house, the rain was blowing so strong sideways, that there wasn't a dry spot in the place. Once underwater however, everything was a dead calm, and the deeper we went, the better the VIS was.

I can see that this is going to get very expensive, very quickly! :D

-Tim
 
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Hahahhaaaa... What a great experience. :)

Diving isn't a cheap hobby... But I've seen much worse. :) The trick is to buy the right gear the first time, and spend money only on diving and diving education, unless it's for professional-grade gear.

Diving for me costs nothing - save for a few pennies to run the electricity to pump my tanks.

That's because I dive a backplate and wing, own my own tanks and regs, and have been using the same spring-heeled Jet fins for years. Annually I have to buy new wetsuits, and of course, I have to do gear maintenance about once a month... Polish tanks, rebuild lights and regs, replace an occasional tool... But diving itself costs nothing... Or close to nothing for me.

I would do a lot less of it if I was diving with a dive shop, letting them fill my tanks (I'd probably use $20-$40/day if they were doing my fills) and diving once a year during a $5,000 vacation.

...Not to say that I should be your example, of course... But no, diving doesn't have to "get very expensive." In fact, if you play your cards right, it can actually pay YOU double or triple a systems administrator's salary... :D

...But you've got to be willing to dream it, and you've got to be willing to work. Hard. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14722191#post14722191 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeaJayInSC
Hahahhaaaa... What a great experience. :)

Diving isn't a cheap hobby... But I've seen much worse. :) The trick is to buy the right gear the first time, and spend money only on diving and diving education, unless it's for professional-grade gear.

Diving for me costs nothing - save for a few pennies to run the electricity to pump my tanks.

That's because I dive a backplate and wing, own my own tanks and regs, and have been using the same spring-heeled Jet fins for years. Annually I have to buy new wetsuits, and of course, I have to do gear maintenance about once a month... Polish tanks, rebuild lights and regs, replace an occasional tool... But diving itself costs nothing... Or close to nothing for me.

I would do a lot less of it if I was diving with a dive shop, letting them fill my tanks (I'd probably use $20-$40/day if they were doing my fills) and diving once a year during a $5,000 vacation.

...Not to say that I should be your example, of course... But no, diving doesn't have to "get very expensive." In fact, if you play your cards right, it can actually pay YOU double or triple a systems administrator's salary... :D

...But you've got to be willing to dream it, and you've got to be willing to work. Hard. :)
Are you hiring..? :D

I obviously bought a new AL80 right off the bat since I have to have it for the 1000g aquarium that I have to dive to maintain, and while I did buy a jacket style BC, it appears that my wife is seriously considering getting certified now, so I'll pawn it off on her and get a BP/W if and when she does. I love my Cressi Titanium Ellipse regs, and after breathing some others during drills, I honestly believe that mine are superior breathers to what 90% of the others in the group were using. My Ellipse Octo breathes every bit as well as most of the other primaries, and their Octos were like trying to suck a Wendy's Frosty through a cocktail straw! :eek2:

I simply couldn't afford the Halcyon Scout LED light that you very strongly suggested (but I do have it bookmarked), so I bought a Princeton Tec 'Torrent LED' for about 1/2 of the price because I had to have something for now.

I'm still waiting to buy a 5mm wetsuit, and will be contacting Austins as soon as I have the money in hand. Aside from that, I have everything except for a 19cf Pony setup that I honestly believe I must have due to my medical condition. If I have a seizure (absence seizures = safe) under water, I'll start sucking A LOT of air for a couple of minutes while I chill out, meaning that the responsible and safest thing to do will be to have a backup plan on my back, and I'm sure my buddies will appreciate it too! ;)

Oh, and after this past weekend, I get to toss my snorkel in a drawer and never again have to use it until I take my next class which will either be AOW or NITROX. :p

I already have a trip scheduled for May 2nd and 3rd, and am still hoping to be able to make it out to Beaufort to dive w/ you the 3rd week of May if I can swing it financially.

BTW: The last 1/2 dozen times our LDS has filled my tanks (I own 1 and am borrowing 1 from a buddy), they haven't charged me a dime, and refused payment each time.

-Tim
 
Heh - hiring...

...What I'm really implying is for you to build your own company... But it doesn't happen overnight. If you're serious about looking to dive for a living, then I'd find out who's doing all of the boat work at your local marinas, talk to them and offer to help. Literally, get your feet wet that way. Be insistent - he'll do his best to scare you away to see your level of commitment. Likely, he'll not want you working directly for him - he'll want to 1099 you annually... So you'll have to file as your own company... Which will put you in a position of experience, education, expertise and legality to build your own dive ops. :) We'll talk more about it later if you're serious.

With regard to your regs - that's very cool that you're happy with them... That's the important thing. Unfortunately, a good "tuner" can pretty much get any reg to breathe any way he wants, which usually will be a little "stiff" to most divers, which helps to prevent an accidental freeflow... Which can be a serious life-threatening situation in overhead environments (you need ALL of your gas to get out of the cave, shipwreck, or decompression obligation). So long as your reg doesn't tend to freeflow, it should be as silky-smooth as possible - which is sounds like yours is. :)

Yeah, you know how I feel about those Halcyons, or for that matter, any similar-designed LED light (I personally have the "even more expensive" Hesers from Germany). However, the one you selected seems to be a fairly robust design, and LED's are the bomb for a whole slew of reasons. The idea that you selected a smaller light with a simpler design (maybe even one that you can put in your pocket) means that I did hopefully influence you a little. :D It'll probably last you a bunch of dives, which is to say that you're probably going to get your money's worth. :)

Glad to hear about the snorkel. :) Keep it - they make great devices for SNORKELING. IMHO, they don't belong on scuba divers unless they're SNORKELING. Of course, my opinion isn't shared with everyone, but I think that I'm not alone when I say that they're a real pain in the neck... And hair... And mask... And line... And... You get the idea. :) I have found that streamlining is more beneficial than any perceived benefit that a snorkel might have.

The pony... I admire your thought process that you have already realized that you're going to need more gas than a typical single AL80 can provide. I'm willing to share what others have found to be the solution to the issue, if you're interested... It's a simpler, more reliable and less gear-intensive way of handling the issue than having a pony. :)

Yeah, my boat's always open, my friend. C'mon down whenever you can - no pressure. :)
 
I was only kidding -- In addition to already owning and operating 2 local businesses, the closest marina is 2.5 hours away, so diving professionally isn't gonna happen! However, since I do make my own schedules and live on MY OWN TIME, I can pretty much get away whenever I want. ;)

My primary 2nd will still free flow for about 2 seconds until it's fully flooded upon first entering the water if it's not in my mouth where it should be, but I can live with that. It's already been tuned back quite a bit from where it was when I first bought it, so I figure I'm already conserving quite a bit of air in that manner... And it's STILL a better breather than the others that I tried. :eek:

Even our DM's didn't have snorkels on, and our Instructor said he only wears them during training dives as required by PADI. :p

The Torrent LED is substantially smaller than the shoe box sized C8's that I was initially looking at, and with 8-AA's it's still mighty powerful too. :cool:

I'm always open to your suggestions as you know, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that you're going to suggest moving from the AL80 to a Steel 100+ where I'll gain additional air, be able to remove weight from my BC, streamline my setup, and not require an additional set of regs... I really like the way YOU think! :D

I'm so ready to dive w/ you, but we'll just need to hammer out the details over a twisted pair... :bum:

-Tim
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14723000#post14723000 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tgreene

My primary 2nd will still free flow for about 2 seconds until it's fully flooded upon first entering the water if it's not in my mouth where it should be, but I can live with that. It's already been tuned back quite a bit from where it was when I first bought it, so I figure I'm already conserving quite a bit of air in that manner... And it's STILL a better breather than the others that I tried. :eek:

Yep, that's pretty much my experience, too, with regs - I tend to detune them quite a bit so that they're not so sensitive.

For me, ANY freeflow would be too much, so I would STILL detune those regs - but of course, it might increase your work of breathing slightly... I don't think enough to notice, but you might feel differently.

Old/shot/badly tuned/cheap regs all tend to breathe hard, and they'll STILL freeflow, too... My bet is that's what you were noticing with your buddys' regs. Good, solid regs tend to have a lot of room between "freeflow" and "breathe crappy" and tend to be easier to tune. Personally, I'd never purchase a second stage that doesn't have TWO controls on it... BOTH a cracking pressure (the dial) and the venturi assist (the lever - sometimes called a "predive switch"). These two generally give the diver the ability to tune "on the fly," assuming that the regs are set up correctly and are in a good state of repair in the first place.

By the way... If you find that not much changes when you play with these controls, wait until you're 100' under water to play with them. When the air coming from them is compressed due to the higher ambient pressures at depth, there is a much larger difference.

Those flat second stages sold specifically as "octopuses" with no controls on them suck, and they remind you by requiring you to suck a lot to get any gas from them. :) I avoid diving with people who use them - obviously they have no intention of giving me a breathable reg if I need it from them... Which tells me a lot about their attitude.


Even our DM's didn't have snorkels on, and our Instructor said he only wears them during training dives as required by PADI. :p

Yep, therein lies the cold, hard fact about snorkels. Glad you're with an instructor that both uses his brain AND does what he has to in order to stay "legal."

Like I said, I think snorkels are great... They're great for SNORKELING. I don't think they belong on a scuba diver. The fact that PADI requires them (not even optional) tells me that their thought processes and attitudes are a bit off.


The Torrent LED is substantially smaller than the shoe box sized C8's that I was initially looking at, and with 8-AA's it's still mighty powerful too. :cool:

Nice choice. Good reasoning, too. :)

Here's the funny part: When it comes to batteries, AAA's, AA's, C's and D's all put out the same voltage... So they'll all light the same typical halogen lamp the same brightness. The advantage of going with a larger battery is that the light will last a lot longer... You get a lot longer life out of D cells than AAA cells. Now that halogen lamps are out and LEDs are in (which use a lot less juice for the same lumens), EVERYTHING lasts longer than it did before, so it only makes sense to take advantage and go with a smaller light with smaller batteries.

Optionally, you could go with the same size and get A TON longer battery life, but why, when you can go with a smaller, more easily stowed light? Smaller lights equipped with LED's are also less expensive, more durable, and give this great, funky-white light that's more true-to-color than old, big halogens.

Anyway, good pick. :)


I'm always open to your suggestions as you know, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that you're going to suggest moving from the AL80 to a Steel 100+ where I'll gain additional air, be able to remove weight from my BC, streamline my setup, and not require an additional set of regs... I really like the way YOU think! :D

Well, there IS that... Not exactly what I had in mind, but yeah, a much better idea than using a pony.

You'd also have the advantage of carrying one less tank with you, having to annually VIP and hydro one less tank, and avoid the drag and complications of a pony bottle.

Aluminum 100's and 120's also have the same buoyancy characteristics as the commonplace aluminum 80... So you could use it and switch over to a rented aluminum 80 when you're on vacation so you don't have to bring your own tank... Without having to change your weighting and trim.

...But you said a "steel 100+". I have some reservations about that:

Be sure that you don't select a tank that's too heavy for your setup, and definitely dive the tank before you buy... I personally find that using steel tanks while diving in a wetsuit make me too heavy unless I'm diving a 7mm suit or a drysuit... Especially if I'm doubled. What's worse is that they don't trim well for me unless I'm wearing a 7mm or drysuit... I tend to "turtle" if I'm diving a 3mm and a heavy steel tank. Your mileage may vary. Dive the tank before you buy - the steels are very expensive, and you can often buy several aluminum tanks for the same price, which will trim out better (depends on you) and prevent overweighting.

There is a sort of "hybrid" tank... And they're being pushed by a lot of shops, hard. They often cost upwards of 3 or 4 times as much as a comparable aluminum tank... The "high pressure" steel. Here's how that works: They rate the tank at 4200 psi, rather than the industry standard 3000 or 2400 psi, effectively getting a lot more gas into them. Consequently, a "high pressure 100" is really an '80 at 3000 psi, and because they're made of steel, the walls can be a little thinner. Therefore, they're a little more negative in the water than comparable aluminums, a few pounds lighter out of the water, and overall have smaller dimensions. All of these things sound great until you find out that most shops will not fill tanks past 3000 or 3300 psi. Now you're stuck with a very expensive '80, and when you rent a tank somewhere else, you still have to readjust your weighting and trim to get it right.

My advice: Stick to aluminum 80's as long as you're diving wet. Reserve the "LP" steel tanks for when/if you go dry. Avoid the high cost (not to mention the need to reweight, and the frustration of having a tank that nobody will fill all the way) of high pressure steels until they're a little more accepted in the industry.

Besides, aluminum 80's make great stage bottles, which you'll need when you get cave-trained... You just don't know that yet. :)

Avoid the pony, too, and learn to sling an aluminum 40... That way, later on, you can easily switch to decompression procedures if you go that way. Better yet would be to learn to dive a set of doubles... Aluminum 80 doubles, in your case, which make a very nice, compact and enjoyable system.

You don't know it yet, but there's some really cool advantages to doubles... One of them is that you now have TWO first stages as well as two second stages... So if one of them fails, you're redundant. Doubles are also a basic prerequisite for any kind of overhead diving (especially because of the redundant first stages), so you might as well get used to them now. Lastly, think about this for a moment... Normally, you dive your first dive of the day, and then switch out tanks when you hit 500 psi, right? Well, think about it this way: When you dive doubles, you don't have to switch tanks out, and you get to dive with that last 500 psi with you on the second dive... Effectively, you now have 3500 psi on your second dive - everyone else still only has 3000.

Thinking about it more logically, you're diving your second dive with about 13 cuft more gas than everyone else.

What size was your pony again? :)

...And you'll still have the advantage of redundant first stages, DOUBLE the amount of gas as your buddy on the first dive, the "learning curve" of doubles (which will give you a huge advantage when you get into overhead diving), AND... You'll look cool and "tech." :)
 
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I actually was thinking in terms of the new Steel HP's rather than the LP's.

I really do like the doubles concept a whole lot more though, but that obviosly would require a BP/W right off the bat, which isn't something that I can jump straight into due to costs. In regards to the "cool looking" Tec guy, my AL80 is candy apple red, and I would certainly have to match it with another red tank, which is something that I have yet to see with doubles setups... I even have that gay tank mesh to keep my cylinder from getting scratched up! :D

In regards to my earlier comments about a BP/W setup, the plan was/is to set it up for doubles because caves are definately in the cards for me. ;)

-Tim
 
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