GFO Saturation Time?

Brian Prestwood

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How long does it take for GFO to saturate in a reactor?

It probably depends on the type of GFO and the amount of phosphate in the water. Does anyone have any numbers that are not just guesses?
 
Well, yes, it does depend on those, as well as the amount of GFO and other factors. FWIW, I've spent many years studying phosphate binders in great detail with a large team of scientists as that is a big part of my professional job, so I'm not guessing, but there are so many things that impact the binding that one cannot give you a simple answer.

I think your idea of 'saturate' may be overly simplistic. The higher the phosphate level in the water, the more can be bound to the GFO, and the longer it is there, the more likely that other things will also accumulate on the phosphate binding sites (such as organics, etc). It is also reversible, so the phosphate can come back off if either something displaces it, or the phosphate concentration declines in the water below the point where the bound phosphate is in equilibrium with it.

In my tests, GFO exposed to substantial phosphate in seawater will reach equilibrium with it in 24 h or less. But if there is very little phosphate in the water, you may find that it takes a substantial period to occupy all of the sites, depending on the available phosphate in the water. If there is substantial phosphate, then it depletes the available binding sites rapidly.
 
ARe you saying, If GFO reaches equilibrium in about 24 hours, you would need to change out your GFO every day for it to continue to be effective. Unless there are extremely low levels of phosphates, then it would take longer to completely bind with all sites.
If so, comparing the price to lifespan ratio, that would make this product too expensive and should only be used for emergency purposes. Is that correct?
 
It certainly could. There was a thread where a person had a Hanna Phosphate photometer and he tested the phosphates using GFO to see when it stopped pulling phosphate out. In the beginning it was within several hours. The lower the phosphates were the longer the media seemed to last. I searched back 6 months for the thread using different keywords but couldn't find it.
 
Thanks Randy

I keep getting the pros answering my questions. Must be my lucky week.

I understand that the bound phosphates are in equilibrium. It makes sense that equilibrium would be dependant on the amount of phosphates in the water.

I'm trying to go from 0.10 ppm PO4 to 0.03. What would you expect the saturation time to be in this range?
 
If you ran it 24 h at 0.1 ppm and the phosphate did not change, and your media had good contact with the water, yes, it is likely depleted in 24 h and is not likely to drop it much more.
 
Thanks Randy. I didnt know that. I will stop using it when I run out. Are their any better alteratives.
 
You're welcome. :)

Are their any better alteratives.

Better ways to reduce phosphate? There are several fine ways, such as growing macroalgae, driving bacterial growth, etc, but in terms of binders for reef aquaria, I think that GFO is the best choice. :)
 
Randy, Does Ferric oxide and Aluminum oxide preform the same? Does one release nutrients back into the water stream faster? I normally use RowaPhos (Ferric Oxide), and i was under the impression that it wouldnt release the nutrients back into the water.
 
Some companies make that claim, but it is inaccurate. I've demonstrated it easily myself. Absorb phosphate onto GFO at concentration X (say, 0.1 ppm). Then remove the solids and put them into clean salt water. The phosphate in that water rises as phosphate comes off the media. I've done that with both Rowaphos and Salifert Phosphate Killer, and I expect it applies to all GFO brands. It also applies to aluminum oxide.

The published comparative data I've seen between aluminum oxide and GFO was flawed, but I think GFO is not only more effective, it has no chance of aluminum release which can irritate certain corals.
 
Is the aluminum what irritates soft corals from time to time? I was posting in another thread where someone was stating that their leather seemed to have issues with the aluminum oxide. I always test 0 for PO4, i do change the Rowa every month, and i use 1.5 cups for my 200 tank. I was thinking about trying to stretch the period out more maybe every other month, but i dont want to send the PO4 up. Thanks for the info.
 
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