thegoaliestaxi
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Jeepers those are pretty cruddy pix. Sorry everyone - the tank lights were out 
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I'm a galand no need to be sorry.
Welcome to the Lady Fish club!!! I know it's our motherly instincts that are helping us along this path! Good luck with your hatch!
Are your pair laying the eggs on the glass? It looks like it in your pictures. If so, you may want to try putting a piece of tile in that spot to see if they will lay the eggs on it. It will sure make it alot easier to transfer the tile and eggs to a nursery tank. My first pair started with laying the eggs on the glass and had no problem laying them on the tile when I placed it in the same spot.
--Barbara
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thegoaliestaxi
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Success! Only have a couple minutes this morning, but --- we had a great hatch and I got more pix! I was not able to count them (bahahaha) but it looks like there are a couple hundred. I only found one that didn't make it thru the night.
So here is "After the Hatch"
And here is this morning after they got some good Rot-noshin going on.
Many thanks for the welcome Barbara
Yup - the eggs are on the glass. I have tried the tile thing and a "special rock" etc. Unfortunately every attempt has resulted in Ruby beating her self half unconcious to move the "offensive invader". lol So ---- we scoop My hubby and I have a pretty good system worked out. He holds a towel covered flashlight and I scoop 'em out. We end out missing a few unfortunately but we get the vast majority of them.
More later! Have a great day everyone!
So here is "After the Hatch"
And here is this morning after they got some good Rot-noshin going on.
Many thanks for the welcome Barbara
Yup - the eggs are on the glass. I have tried the tile thing and a "special rock" etc. Unfortunately every attempt has resulted in Ruby beating her self half unconcious to move the "offensive invader". lol So ---- we scoop My hubby and I have a pretty good system worked out. He holds a towel covered flashlight and I scoop 'em out. We end out missing a few unfortunately but we get the vast majority of them.More later! Have a great day everyone!
thegoaliestaxi
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Hey all It only took about 30-45 minutes of scooping. I am thinking about looking up the "fry catcher" plans tho.
Over night I lost 170 (counted the poor little buggers as i got 'em out). It looks like they were about 1/2 of the clutch. These were spending an awful lot of time on the bottom toward the late afternoon and evening yesterday. I was very careful with the amount of light getting to the tank. The sides are covered and I have a lid and a towel for the top so I can adjust the light levels. I had a pretty good amount of rotifers in there, but I supposed it's possible that some of the fry didn't eat enough of them. Tank temp, sg, ammonia, ph all within "acceptable" parameters. Not prestine but acceptable. My only other reason for the loss that I could think of would be transfer damage. I sure was as gentle as possible, but I imagine it was still a little startling for some. It is likely that some of each of these reasons were contributors.
At any rate --- I have decided to be quite pleased at the number of living and try not to be sad or frustrated at the number of dead
I'll take some more pics of the new ones and the older ones in a day or two. Have a great day everybody!
It only took about 30-45 minutes of scooping. I am thinking about looking up the "fry catcher" plans tho.Over night I lost 170 (counted the poor little buggers as i got 'em out)
. It looks like they were about 1/2 of the clutch. These were spending an awful lot of time on the bottom toward the late afternoon and evening yesterday. I was very careful with the amount of light getting to the tank. The sides are covered and I have a lid and a towel for the top so I can adjust the light levels. I had a pretty good amount of rotifers in there, but I supposed it's possible that some of the fry didn't eat enough of them. Tank temp, sg, ammonia, ph all within "acceptable" parameters. Not prestine but acceptable. My only other reason for the loss that I could think of would be transfer damage. I sure was as gentle as possible, but I imagine it was still a little startling for some. It is likely that some of each of these reasons were contributors.At any rate --- I have decided to be quite pleased at the number of living and try not to be sad or frustrated at the number of dead
I'll take some more pics of the new ones and the older ones in a day or two. Have a great day everybody!
thegoaliestaxi
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Thanks guys
I lost another 55 over night ---- but I think I might have cyphered out part of the problem. I think I have my bubbles set a wee bit too high. It was not waaaaay high --- but i little bit more than "just barely". The fry were swimming freely - not being pushed around or tumbled at all. But, I think that was causing the rots to move faster as they were caught in the "current". It would have also made the fry use more energy to catch the rots. After lowering the bubbles late last night, the remaining troopers are definitely more "peanutier" looking
The three "older" ones are doing very well. One has taken a liking to the hairy mushroom and "defends" it pretty well lol. Their coloring is deepening every day and their little bodies are filling out very well. I've increased their water to about 7 gallons in the 10 gallon tank. I still have the filter and rocks blocked off tho.
Here's a question -- might belong in a different thread so I will apologize in advance. Does anyone else recycle their rots?
-- Here's what I mean. According to Ms. Wilkersons book, rots that haven't eaten for 12 hours have lost pretty much all their nutrition. I am not a "co-culturer" because it seems strange to co-culture when we take such great pains not to get our culture water into our fry tanks. So -- every morning I feed my rots, then set aside fresh rots to dump in the fry tank, I scoop and strain thru the rot collector a 1/2 to a gallon of water out of the fry tank. Depending on the day, the water either gets tossed or put back in to the tank. Then i put the tired old rots into the rot tanks where they get all refreshed and full of good yummy rot food. Seems to be working pretty good for me, so I thought I would see if anyone else did it too.
Great days all!
I lost another 55 over night ---- but I think I might have cyphered out part of the problem. I think I have my bubbles set a wee bit too high. It was not waaaaay high --- but i little bit more than "just barely". The fry were swimming freely - not being pushed around or tumbled at all. But, I think that was causing the rots to move faster as they were caught in the "current". It would have also made the fry use more energy to catch the rots. After lowering the bubbles late last night, the remaining troopers are definitely more "peanutier" looking
The three "older" ones are doing very well. One has taken a liking to the hairy mushroom and "defends" it pretty well lol. Their coloring is deepening every day and their little bodies are filling out very well. I've increased their water to about 7 gallons in the 10 gallon tank. I still have the filter and rocks blocked off tho.
Here's a question -- might belong in a different thread so I will apologize in advance. Does anyone else recycle their rots?
-- Here's what I mean. According to Ms. Wilkersons book, rots that haven't eaten for 12 hours have lost pretty much all their nutrition. I am not a "co-culturer" because it seems strange to co-culture when we take such great pains not to get our culture water into our fry tanks. So -- every morning I feed my rots, then set aside fresh rots to dump in the fry tank, I scoop and strain thru the rot collector a 1/2 to a gallon of water out of the fry tank. Depending on the day, the water either gets tossed or put back in to the tank. Then i put the tired old rots into the rot tanks where they get all refreshed and full of good yummy rot food. Seems to be working pretty good for me, so I thought I would see if anyone else did it too.
Great days all!
thegoaliestaxi
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Well, lost about another 40, but the rest are doing great. And I must have had many several hundred to start with because I think I still have at least 100 in there.
Oh and a new clutch was laid Wednesday afternoon. Yikes!
Off and running again
-Lara
Oh and a new clutch was laid Wednesday afternoon. Yikes!
Off and running again
-Lara
thegoaliestaxi
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And now....the pix These were taken yesterday so it was day 3 for the fry and day 51 for the Juveniles.
This is the clearest shot I could get of a chubby tummy
This one is on his own a lot
These two fight all the time
Having successfully defended the mushroom - a break is in order
Hope everyone has a great weekend!
These were taken yesterday so it was day 3 for the fry and day 51 for the Juveniles.This is the clearest shot I could get of a chubby tummy
This one is on his own a lot
These two fight all the time
Having successfully defended the mushroom - a break is in order
Hope everyone has a great weekend!
thegoaliestaxi
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Hey all. Very sad news indeed -- 2 clutches are lost .
My pair laid another batch only a few days after the ones that hatched on 7/21 -- so I decided to experiement and see if the new fry (hatched on 8/1) would co-exist with the ones hatched on 7/21. Everything was going ok for the first 2 weeks. I lost a few of the younger ones with popped bellies. I was very very careful to get the extra bbs out of the tank once they weren't orange anymore so they must have been good hunters. Then --- after the older ones had completely morphed and got a nice orangey color --- they would go into a freak-out and then simply lay down and die They would swim in circles or back and forth across the tank and then just sink on their sides. It was a horrible thing to watch
The little ones all died during morph -- I am thinking maybe they got bbs too early -- but they seemed to tolerate it very well until they were actually going thru morph.
I was able to get the very last older one in a small cup -- I put a few new bbs in there with him -- he didn't even make a go at them.
I was at first thinking the freak-outs were bbs-shock (how do avoid such a thing and make sure they get enough to eat at the same time?) now I'm wondering if for some reason they stopped eating. And -- I suppose it could have been a result from my experiement.
To make matters worse my pair have not spawned again. No changes to the tank other than a water change (finally ). Maybe they are giving us all a break for a while lol.
Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Hope you all are doing well. Thanks!
Note --- the 3 oldest ones are doing great!
.My pair laid another batch only a few days after the ones that hatched on 7/21 -- so I decided to experiement and see if the new fry (hatched on 8/1) would co-exist with the ones hatched on 7/21. Everything was going ok for the first 2 weeks. I lost a few of the younger ones with popped bellies. I was very very careful to get the extra bbs out of the tank once they weren't orange anymore so they must have been good hunters. Then --- after the older ones had completely morphed and got a nice orangey color --- they would go into a freak-out and then simply lay down and die
They would swim in circles or back and forth across the tank and then just sink on their sides. It was a horrible thing to watch The little ones all died during morph -- I am thinking maybe they got bbs too early -- but they seemed to tolerate it very well until they were actually going thru morph.
I was able to get the very last older one in a small cup -- I put a few new bbs in there with him -- he didn't even make a go at them.
I was at first thinking the freak-outs were bbs-shock (how do avoid such a thing and make sure they get enough to eat at the same time?) now I'm wondering if for some reason they stopped eating. And -- I suppose it could have been a result from my experiement.
To make matters worse my pair have not spawned again. No changes to the tank other than a water change (finally
). Maybe they are giving us all a break for a while lol.Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Hope you all are doing well. Thanks!
Note --- the 3 oldest ones are doing great!
rkelman
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"The little ones all died during morph -- I am thinking maybe they got bbs too early -- but they seemed to tolerate it very well until they were actually going thru morph."
I don't even think of feeding BBS until mine are through Meta. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the cause. (I have Black Ocellaris not Maroons so take that with a grain of salt) Usually I continue to feed Rotifers as well as BBS for the first while. (I co culture and thing it is a big help with survival rates) Switching foods completely and fast is not a good idea. Have you considered using Otohime instead of BBS? I used it with my last clutch and never lost a fish during / after Meta. I only fed them BBS twice.
As for the not spawning thing... I wouldn't get too worried about it. Mine ate 2 nests then stopped all together for a couple months and recently started back up again. Just leave them alone. Feed them well and wait..
Oh yeah. I don't count anymore.. Dead or living. Its too depressing to lose 200 fish or 50 fish or whatever. I start with "Some" and I still have "Some" so all is good (in my little world anyways)
Good luck
I don't even think of feeding BBS until mine are through Meta. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the cause. (I have Black Ocellaris not Maroons so take that with a grain of salt) Usually I continue to feed Rotifers as well as BBS for the first while. (I co culture and thing it is a big help with survival rates) Switching foods completely and fast is not a good idea. Have you considered using Otohime instead of BBS? I used it with my last clutch and never lost a fish during / after Meta. I only fed them BBS twice.
As for the not spawning thing... I wouldn't get too worried about it. Mine ate 2 nests then stopped all together for a couple months and recently started back up again. Just leave them alone. Feed them well and wait..
Oh yeah. I don't count anymore.. Dead or living. Its too depressing to lose 200 fish or 50 fish or whatever. I start with "Some" and I still have "Some" so all is good
(in my little world anyways)Good luck
FB
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I have been experiencing the same thing. They go zooming around the tank at 1000 mph and then go on their side. I have found that if you spray water over them with a pippete they sort of revive themselves and seem like nothing has happened. Very strange. I have my otohime coming soon and hopefully will be on less bbs.
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thegoaliestaxi
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Oh boy - I'm sorry rkelman, I wasn't clear about the feeding part. I don't stop the rotifers until 3 to 4 weeks and I taper them off little by little. The Clownfish Book says to introduce bbs around day 7-8 for GSM's (earlier for most other breeds) as they need the extra umph to get them thru meta. It is possible that the littlest ones got them too early tho. My thinking behind it was this --- in nature, the fry have to decide for themselves what they eat and when (rotifer or bbs) - so I thought having both to choose from would kinda leave it up to them which they would prefer. Maybe not the best logic - but that was the madness behind the method.
I very much like the idea of having "some" and still having "some"
FB - I'm glad I'm not alone Do the ones you revive stay alive for more than a few hours then? I was able to get one to come around in much the same fashion as you did -- but it died a few hours later. (Yep - I had that few that I could tell which ones were which )
Here's another interesting little tid-bit ---- they all had a full head stripe, but only dots for the middle and tail. My others that actually lived are fully barred. (Their tails started as dots but the middles were full to start) Maybe there was some kind of genetic glitch with these groups hmmmm.
Good day to all!
I very much like the idea of having "some" and still having "some"
FB - I'm glad I'm not alone
Do the ones you revive stay alive for more than a few hours then? I was able to get one to come around in much the same fashion as you did -- but it died a few hours later. (Yep - I had that few that I could tell which ones were which )Here's another interesting little tid-bit ---- they all had a full head stripe, but only dots for the middle and tail. My others that actually lived are fully barred. (Their tails started as dots but the middles were full to start) Maybe there was some kind of genetic glitch with these groups hmmmm.
Good day to all!
FB
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It really started to occur around the two week mark. I had several of them doing it and I never lost one with this technique. When they do it they slowly go to the bottom and are breathing very rapidly. I think they pretty much use up all their oxygen and if you don't get more flow through their gills they may suficate. This is all a guess and based on what I have witnessed. It would be interesting to find out exactly why this happens. Is it something in the bbs or is it the excitement of food in the water and they just spaze out!
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FB
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I have had a pair of GSM's for about 4 months. I purchased them off another reefer who could no longer keep them in his tank. I have not noticed them lay any eggs and was wondering if there are any tricks you did to get yours going. I don't believe they previously spawned in the other tank.
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thegoaliestaxi
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That makes sense about the using up of oxygen. But agree it would be good to know what causes the freak-bout to begin with. Can't always be right by the tank for a rescue mission.
For your pair -- I sure don't have any secrets that you probably haven't tried already. Consistent lighting patterns, yummy variety of food, candlelit dinners and mood-music :rollface: bahaha ---- I had mine for close to a year I think before a spawn. It was probably as much to do with the male needing to mature a bit as anything else. The female is really big, but I'm not really sure exactly how old either one of them are. I do know she was about as big as a small "mag-float" when I got her. I think it's just a matter of time --- and the right music of course
Mucho luck! Thanks for the feedback
For your pair -- I sure don't have any secrets that you probably haven't tried already. Consistent lighting patterns, yummy variety of food, candlelit dinners and mood-music :rollface: bahaha ---- I had mine for close to a year I think before a spawn. It was probably as much to do with the male needing to mature a bit as anything else. The female is really big, but I'm not really sure exactly how old either one of them are. I do know she was about as big as a small "mag-float" when I got her. I think it's just a matter of time --- and the right music of course
Mucho luck! Thanks for the feedback
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