gonipora polyp extension

jdareef

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i have a red gonipora i puchase about 2 months ago, at the store the polyps wer nice and extended, i brought it home and for the first week it did awesome. ever since then the polyps have remained short ,only about a half inch out. im not sure if it was light shock or to much flow thats keeping it rectracted or sompthing else. the system its in is very healthy and has been running for litle over a year, wat do i do? prams, nitrate-0,phosphate.04, cal-420,alk-3.

Thanks
 
my stupid *** clowns try to host my goni... Keep an eye on them and see if they're bothering it. Also, mine really likes as much light as it can get, but only indirect flow just so the polyps barely wave... Too much and it will retract. I don't know if you've been there, but check out http://www.goniopora.com
 
They are correct about the clowns. Watch them, make sure they are not trying to host it.

Also, are you target feeding it? That could be another reason it is not extending.

Do you use GFO in your system? Many have claimed to get better polyp extension with it. I use it in my setup and my red/pink goni does great!

Maybe you could post a picture, so we could get a better idea of what's going on.

Here's the website with more info for you: http://www.goniopora.org[/URL
 
yes ive been on the site, it eats very well , i feed rons food,cyclopeeze, my clown are new and ussualy remain on the other side of the tank. i switched the bulb about to weeks ago so i thought it might be that, i also read on that gonipora website that just a lil to much flow would keep the polyps contracted, i moved it to the back in a more shady area with less flow. hoping this works!
 
Sounds good so far....and I believe the reds don't require as much light intensity as the green goni's do. Do you believe it was bleached after going into your system?

What's it's position in the tank? (before & after)

Keep in mind, you can always use fiberglass window screening to help reacclimate corals (when changing the light bulbs) without necessarily moving them too. But if it's an issue of flow, and the return or powerheads can't be repositioned, then movement to a new position is the best course of action. Random flow is even better.

Do you have any inverts that could be disturbing it? Hermits, emerald crabs walking over it, bristle worms, or copepods? Have you taken a flashlight and looked at the coral at night to see if anything is bugging it?

Is there any tissue loss around the base?

Mine is on the bottom of the tank (mounted to a rock since it's an encrusting species) about 24 inches away from a 250w 14K MH bulb plus 2-65w actinic PCs; with a supplemental 10K/6500K 65w PC on for an hour at midday. It also receives random flow with the help of a wavemaker timer and receives 3-4 target feedings/week with a mix of Reef Roids, phytofeast, cyclopeez, finely shaved mysid or table shrimp and/or scallops. All of which is soaked in selcon. I also do 10% water changes weekly. It seems to be doing nicely and showing new growth.

And of course, keep a close eye on your clowns, they are high suspects too.

I'm very interested in it's progression so keep us updated and post a picture if you can.

Good luck :)
 
I need to post a picture of mine to make sure everyone thinks it has good polyp extension. It doesn't seem as full as it was in the store but they are not real short or anything. Maybe a little more flow than it had in the store.
 
My experience has shown me in the past that Goni's that recesss over time do not usually fare well in the end. This is one of those corals that most do not have sucess with. Good water quality/diet/lighting are all things conducive to a healthy specimen.
 
no i do not believe it was bleached if anything the color has improved, turing a deeper red with pupleish tips, just cant get the polyps to come out.i at first had it half way up the rock work but moved it down to te sand bed were the rock work is shading it a bit.and no i dont have any hermits,, got tiered of the knocking stuff down, been keeping a good eye on the clowns the past couple days and they seem to act like its not even their.its currently about 36" away from my lighting wich is a 400w 20k halide,im feeding the tank rods food cyplopeese and mysis, have not been doin any target feeding though...and ive herard that gonis have some bad survival rates but the only one i se go down hill fast are the green ones, if seen much better luck with the reds and blues
 
One way to target feed is to turn a small tupperware container over and place it over the Goni, then squirting food under the container.
You could also just take it out, put it in a bowl with some tank water and feed it out of the tank, then plcae it back in after feeding. Lots of folks do this for their Tubastreas.
 
i tried to get a alright pic, all i have is a cell phone camera

goni.jpg


its eating right now but thats about that legnth they come out, only like 1/2.
 
So we've ruled out, hermits, possibly the clowns. Lighting/depth sounds fine. (I forgot to mention that my one 250w MH is in the center of a 60gal cube, and the goni is located on the 'outskirts' of the light beam. So it's not directly located underneath the bulb.)

Btw, that's great the the color has improved! However, if you didn't believe the goni is bleached, why did you move it into the shade, (unless the flow was too much in that same spot)?

Also, target feeding this particular coral seems to be important-especially now.

Here's what I would do:

Take out some frozen cyclopeez and mash it with a spoon (I used a tiny mortar & pestle dedicated to the aquarium) to get the 'juice' from the cyclopeez mix it with a drop of selcon if you have it. Smashed oyster eggs work great in eliciting a feeding response from these corals too.

Turn off the aquarium pumps/powerheads/airstones etc (anything that moves the water). Feed all the fish first so they are busy. Then take a pipette and VERY GENTLY puff (not blow) the juice in the goni's direction, trying to get each polyp a little juice. Do this 3-4 times per week in the beginning.

Watch closely for a feeding response...it will be difficult at first as you are just feeding 'juice.' But eventually, you will notice the polyps pulling in about halfway down, tentacles moving toward the mouth, other polyps moving towards the polyp you are targeting-to share the food. Even though you are feeding 'juice' they will be getting some nutritional value out of it.

Don't move the coral around during this time. Resist the urge to keep moving it. These corals tend to remain shy about coming out when you disturb them, so I would not suggest taking them out of the aquarium every time you feed it. It needs to feel secure enough to attempt to come out and feed.

Then begin to use the cyclopeez juice and whole cyclopeez, plus small amounts of thinly shaved mysid or table shrimp (some of the Rod's food would probably work too), something where you can see the food being grasped and held onto by the polyp. Then you will know that it is trying to actively capture it's food. (At this point, the food should be slightly paste-like so that it remains on the polyp.)

Once you are sure that the goni is trying to feed, you could take a clear plastic Coke 1 or 2L bottle (cut the bottom off and take the cap off) and place it over the goni without touching it (you don't want to tear the tissue). Now you should be able to feed the goni with the pipette by squirting th food through the mouth of the bottle and leave it for about 20 mins. This keeps the food close to the coral giving it a chance to feed without the food being washed away or without being stolen by other animals in the tank.

I was very skeptical at first and didn't think ANYTHING was happening when I began to feed using this method. So I took out my DSLR camera and watched on the live view function zoomed in 7-10x with a macro lens. But I witnessed the coral (without moving any of it's tenacles) very slowly, through minute movements, move a cyclopeez towards it's mouth and swallow the food! But it took some time.

I think your coral can be encouraged in it's health, if you will take the time now to baby it a little.

I hope this helps! JAM :)

PS-Lowredranger, post a pic, let's have a look.
 
its starting to feed a little, i moved it into the shade cause i thought the change in light intesity might have been stressing it out from the bulb change.

heres a lil better pic
goni.jpg
 
The other possibility, that I forgot to mention was....do/did you have another coral (mushrooms, GSP, leather coral) upstream from your goni? In other words, was the water flow coming across another soft coral prior to flowing across the goni? Sometimes terpenoids or other allelopathic toxins can irritate the goni and cause it to retract (carbon and water changes, protein skimming will help this).

And of course, we haven't talked about "Brown jelly" infections yet. I'm guessing since you've had the problem for more than 6 weeks now, you haven't noticed any jelly, or the coral would've been dead.

Things you might work on:

1) Target feeding 3-4 times/week
2) Making sure that no tissue is covered with sand, now that it's in the sandbed. (I had to mount mine on a flat piece of live rock to keep the expanding tissue from becoming irritated. But it still resides- on the rock - on the sand.)
3) If you do see any type of infection, start a Lugol's bath immediately.
4) If no infection, try not to disturb it by moving it around.
5) Try to get the phosphates down (I used Seachems Phosguard in a mesh bag with good results).

You haven't mentioned what your filtration setup is or your water changing schedule. That might be helpful too.

Let me know....and can you get us a full tank shot when you have a chance? That may help too.

Gonioporas are usually located in a plankton-rich environment. My best guess is that is has been starving.

Thanks, :)
 
alright, water changes, i stay on top of theese pretty good, change out 5 gallons a week, same day , every week. i have a berlin styl sump and run a remora skimmer, i also run phoslock in a mesh bag and carbon, also dose kalkwasser and b ionic, its a 29 gallon btw. 2 koralia #1s and a mag 7 return. 1 400w halide, ill try and get a tank shot, i just needa borrow my friends camera.
thanks
 
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