You're correct JustPlainFishy. I believe xJake is incorrect. AI is deszigned and built in the US. That was one oif their major selling points when the Chinese made Solaris were falling apart. This situation sux and Orbitec should be ashamed of themselves. How much you want to bet Dick Cheney is on their board?
Goodbye to LED lighting
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goodtimes2
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What wrong with todays' patents, is now you can take new technology and apply it to another non novel use and you can get a concept patent that has very broad claims. I have no problems with patenting new technolgy, but when someone else finds a new use that is somewhat straight forward , they should not be awarded a patent. Again the claims can be challenge in court but it takes big money to do.These patents coming out today can have such broad claims that indicates any use with an LED light with a fish tank is covered rather than maybe .a very noval way to use the LED lights,
Untamed12
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If Orbitec is smart, they will allow licencing of their patents to competitors (for a price). The presence of multiple competitors builds the category for everyone.
For example, Orbitec might make a fixture but not have the distribution necessary to reach potential customers. Or, they might make a fixture, but it isn't the right size for some people. Both these would be examples of business they would get a piece of by licencing, otherwise, they just wouldn't get that business.
If they are smart about this, they can use this to their financial advantage. Having the patent isn't necessarily just about being the only one to use it.
Using the patent to put PFO out of the business would not be the best use of this patent.
For example, Orbitec might make a fixture but not have the distribution necessary to reach potential customers. Or, they might make a fixture, but it isn't the right size for some people. Both these would be examples of business they would get a piece of by licencing, otherwise, they just wouldn't get that business.
If they are smart about this, they can use this to their financial advantage. Having the patent isn't necessarily just about being the only one to use it.
Using the patent to put PFO out of the business would not be the best use of this patent.
jubjub
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this is disappointing, to see a company holding back progress of a product, that is more energy efficient, more "Green" for their own greedy purposes.....
one of these days we will progress enough as a species not for the soul reason of greed but the reason to better everyone as a whole... until that time comes we have to deal with crap like this.
edit: this makes me think of the recent patent that the guy tried to patent the idea of thumbnails, got the patent and went and sued EVERYONE! google included
one of these days we will progress enough as a species not for the soul reason of greed but the reason to better everyone as a whole... until that time comes we have to deal with crap like this.
edit: this makes me think of the recent patent that the guy tried to patent the idea of thumbnails, got the patent and went and sued EVERYONE! google included
nano mania
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This reminds me of when the oil companies bought all of the original plans and patents for electric vehicles.
J3REEF
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Returned my H series after months of issues for a full refund a while back.
What happens now to the G/H/I series customers that shelled out thousands of dollars for these units and need to replace LED strips, PS units, controllers, etc. or just want to upgrade or just want a refund?
What happens now to the G/H/I series customers that shelled out thousands of dollars for these units and need to replace LED strips, PS units, controllers, etc. or just want to upgrade or just want a refund?
iamthereefguy
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Goodbye.
ganjero
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http://www.reefbuilders.com/2009/02/03/big-trouble-brewing-future-aquarium-leds/#more-4332
This article started the news and according to it, PFO was asked to pay 25% in royalties but the refused to do it, or maybe they could not afford that much.
This article started the news and according to it, PFO was asked to pay 25% in royalties but the refused to do it, or maybe they could not afford that much.
http://www.planet-llc.com/pages/sunbow/pages/apollo.htm
I wonder when that page went up. I would be willing to bet it was only created shortly before the suit. Do they actually HAVE an aquarium light for sale right now or is it one of those "if we can't do it then nobody can do it" kind of things?
I wonder when that page went up. I would be willing to bet it was only created shortly before the suit. Do they actually HAVE an aquarium light for sale right now or is it one of those "if we can't do it then nobody can do it" kind of things?
nano mania
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manuelink
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Royalties
Royalties
I'd like to know where Reef Builders got the information regarding 25% royalties to be paid by PFO. There was no reference to this statement whatsoever so I take it with a grain of salt.
PFO dropped the ball first by not patenting their product. Then they dropped the ball in producing units with lousy quality, as evidenced by all the issues people have had with them. Then they charged a ridiculous price. They also most likely got these built cheap since they were manufactured in China except for the new I5.
To me it looks like they were in a hurry to be first to market to make $$$$$ and did not do the due diligence, prototyping, and manufacturing research prior to introducing their product. I welcome Orbitec into this market.
DISCLAIMER: I have nothing to do with Orbitec whatsoever....I just want affordable, high quality, well designed LED lighting for my reef tank.
Royalties
I'd like to know where Reef Builders got the information regarding 25% royalties to be paid by PFO. There was no reference to this statement whatsoever so I take it with a grain of salt.
PFO dropped the ball first by not patenting their product. Then they dropped the ball in producing units with lousy quality, as evidenced by all the issues people have had with them. Then they charged a ridiculous price. They also most likely got these built cheap since they were manufactured in China except for the new I5.
To me it looks like they were in a hurry to be first to market to make $$$$$ and did not do the due diligence, prototyping, and manufacturing research prior to introducing their product. I welcome Orbitec into this market.
DISCLAIMER: I have nothing to do with Orbitec whatsoever....I just want affordable, high quality, well designed LED lighting for my reef tank.
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