Got a TDS meter

chukthunder

New member
Bought salt online and added a HM Digital TDS-4 to the order to push it over the top for the free shipping.

No instructions included, went online and watched some Youtube to get an idea. Most compared tap water to RO/DI, I compared tap to Walmart green cap. My tap water came back 139, green cap --1.

I have gallons of Instant Ocean prepared already, first shot at this and followed the 1/2 cup for each gallon rule. The TDS meter also reads --1 for this water as well.

Does my prepared water need more salt or do I need a new meter?
 
A TDS meter works great for checking your pure freshwater to make sure it's zero (or really close to it).

It won't work for checking tank salinity. You will need a hydrometer or refractometer for that.

Yes about 1/2 cup per gallon should get you close. Check with your hydrometer or refractometer to be more exact.
 
Is there any advantage to either the hydrometer or refractometer?

Hydrometers on eBay are cheap while refractometers cost anywhere from ten to four hundred. Are there any particular features i'm looking for as well as don't need in a refractometer?
 
Hydrometers have been known to be many times wildly inaccurate made worse as for the most part they can't be calibrated a refractometers are more reliable as you can calibrate it to make sure that the reading is accurate you can use a hydrometer but take into account odds are that the reading it will give you is wrong you can get a decent refractometer at Bulk reef supply or marinedepot for about $40 with calibration fluid
 
heh, i have a refractometer, that i dont use for every W/C..

i do 10g water changes, i put 5 cups of salt in and mix it and thats all i do.. when i do a 5g w/c, i just eye up a half a cup.. lol..
 
heh, i have a refractometer, that i dont use for every W/C..

i do 10g water changes, i put 5 cups of salt in and mix it and thats all i do.. when i do a 5g w/c, i just eye up a half a cup.. lol..

This has to be the absolutely worst thing I have ever seen posted on these boards.

Your Eyeing the mix and not testing then dumping it in your tank? Ican't imagine what kind of salinity swings are in your tank and how the inhabitants are suffering. You do know you can kill fish with wild salinity fluctuations?

1/2C per gallon is the typical, but it never mixes up perfect. You either need to add a bit more water, or a bit more salt for that perfect 1.025.
 
I'm confused here.. A TDS meter is really NOT a replacement/alternate for a hydrometer or refractometer..
Whats even worse is that chukthunder seemed to imply that they used it in water mixed with salt and were reading 1.. Thats absolutely not correct at all..Unless that meter just shows one when its totally off the charts..

A TDS meter should be used to check your freshwater coming out of your RO/DI system.. Its not what you should be using to test the salinity of your mixed saltwater..
So chukthunder I recommend you go back online and purchase a refractometer and calibration solution..
Amazon
 
Is there any advantage to either the hydrometer or refractometer?

Hydrometer advantages:

Cheap
Quick and easy.
Never needs calibrated
Although it may be a couple points off, it's always off the same amount. So once you check it against a standard, you will know to add or subtract some.

Refractometer advantages:

Can be checked against a standard and calibrated.
More accurate

Do you have a reef or fish only, by the way?
 
I don't like trusting just one equipment or having one single point of failure as much as possible.

I got a Milwaukee Digital Seawater Refractrometer from Bulk Reef Supply and an ATC Refractrometer with a calibration fluid (Aqua Craft Standard Seawater 35 ppt Refractometer Calibration Solution - 60 ml)

The odd thing is even if they are both calibrated, one of them maybe off by 0.01 or sometimes 0.02. I have to take multiple measurements to make sure they are on the same level.

When I can't get an agreement between the two, I rely on my eyes and look at the tank. Does it look right? If my gut feeling says no, then I dig in further and take a break and do a test again.
 
Is there any advantage to either the hydrometer or refractometer?

Hydrometers on eBay are cheap while refractometers cost anywhere from ten to four hundred. Are there any particular features i'm looking for as well as don't need in a refractometer?


Careful, you just cracked open a massively controversial subject! :uzi: People can be wildly varying in their love of hydrometers vs refractometers.

TDS Meter
A TDS meter is used to check that your RODI water is 0 TDS, and to compare it to your raw tapwater, or to the RO output before the DI. The reason for doing this is to determine:
- How bad the tapwater is
- How depleted the RO is before it hits the DI
- When to change the RO
- Ensuring the output is 0 TDS.

Usually you can eyeball the DI and change it when it starts to largely change color.

'Swing Arm' Hydrometer
Can vary wildly from what it tells you. However, many people recommend using a known cal fluid in it then just marking with a permenent marker where that gets you. This way you can ignore the markings that came with it and go off a KNOWN spot.
Requires frequent cleaning, buildup will skew readings.
Airbubbles will skew readings.
Otherwise, you never really need to recalibrate it. It does what it does, and just keeps doing it. The local reef store near me has been using these exclusively for 30 years, and never had an issue. My personal experience is I went and bought one and got 5 different readings with it after watching a video on how to use it, so I said **** that.

Refractometer
Very accurate and easy to read depending on what one you get. However, all the manuals I've read state it -must be calibrated every single time- you use it. I can vouch that I have used it one day, and picked it up the next only to find it had moved by as much as +/- 0.005! And I have a 'good' one!

Calibrating it is very easy and can be done with RODI water, however ideally you would get a 1.026 cal fluid to use this. People will tell you calibrating with RODI water is wrong. They are wrong. It is not IDEAL, but it will work and is even what is in most manuals. As an instrumentation technologist that works professionally with calibrating instruments, I feel I have the position to say this.

Ideally you will calibrate at your desired measurement point, but a consistent calibration at zero will work. I tested this off the local reef shop and I was bang on the same reading he uses, and bang on to his 1.026 cal fluid.



TLDR: I bought a refractometer for salinity because I tried both and preferred it. TDS meter is for RODI uses only, not salinity.
 
Pat,

There's nothing in either tank I want to take salt yet, my goal is to set up a ten gallon with some live rock, inverts, and a frag with either zoanthids or toadstools. All that's going on now is getting gear, making water, testing things reading, asking questions, and sorting out what's practical for my skill level. I want to make my mistakes there and crawl through the learning curve slowly. All my experience up to now has been with lightly planted FW w/ shrimp, snails, tetras, and South American cichlids.

In my mind I thought adding salt would have increased the reading beyond 1.

Thanks to all who replied, you've answered my question and probably the next two I would have thought of.

There will be even more powerfully ignorant posts from myself in the future and also most likely desperate pleas for assistance.
 
This has to be the absolutely worst thing I have ever seen posted on these boards.

Your Eyeing the mix and not testing then dumping it in your tank? Ican't imagine what kind of salinity swings are in your tank and how the inhabitants are suffering. You do know you can kill fish with wild salinity fluctuations?

1/2C per gallon is the typical, but it never mixes up perfect. You either need to add a bit more water, or a bit more salt for that perfect 1.025.

yea maybe if you put a cup extra, calm down. lol
 
Back
Top