Grown out Elkhorn A. palmata images?
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markie mark
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so where did you get these frags?
gon08
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You may want to be careful where you post that. You may be asked to provide proof that it was acquired legally.
As for hardiness.... it's not very. A. cervicornis is a bit hardier but harder to find in the wild.
jcolletteiii
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If you've grown them for many years, I'd be interested to see photos of these bad boys that YOU have!
A palmata is not just any coral. It is HIGHLY endangered in the Atlantic, and was thought to be extinct, or nearly so, in the Pacific until very recently. I imagine that if teh wrong person saw this thread, such proof might be asked for.
jcolletteiii
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Don't get me wrong - if it is a piece that was originally collected legally, and you don't live in a state where it is unlawful to possess endangered species, you could be sitting on a gold mine. I'd plonk down some cash for a frag of 'ToLearn's LE Oatmeal Cookie Acropora palmata'! I'd imagine others would as well. I think you have some serious homework to do to establish provenance.
Ok common names just suck. I am trying to learn scientific names for the corals I keep, but everywhere I buy doesn't know the scientific(ok, usually doesn't even know the common names!)
I have "Elkhorn coral" and not "Acopora palmata". The thread title is wrong. I messed up. I just sent several people PMs explaining I wasn't sure why they wanted to buy my Elkhorn when ORA frags are available for $20-23.
Two corals from two different genus should not use the same common name. Responsible people should push common names which are not used for more then one animal or just list items under scientific names. A search for Elkhorn coral on google results in pages and pages about how it is endangered with images of massive colonies. To find frags I had to add "ORA" to the search and there I saw the first image of a fragment which confirmed I have "Elkhorn".
I have "Elkhorn coral" and not "Acopora palmata". The thread title is wrong. I messed up. I just sent several people PMs explaining I wasn't sure why they wanted to buy my Elkhorn when ORA frags are available for $20-23.
Two corals from two different genus should not use the same common name. Responsible people should push common names which are not used for more then one animal or just list items under scientific names. A search for Elkhorn coral on google results in pages and pages about how it is endangered with images of massive colonies. To find frags I had to add "ORA" to the search and there I saw the first image of a fragment which confirmed I have "Elkhorn".
gon08
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Florida Fish, Game and Wildlife is one
Florida Marine Patrol would be another.
Here in Florida LFS's have been closed down or heavily fined for selling stony corals illegally collected. BTW I go out on the reef all the time here in Florida and I have the opportunity to collect all kinds of corals if I wanted to, put them in my car and drive them home without having to ship anything. Still illegal to possess let alone sell.
markie mark
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somethings still fishy about this if it was just a elkhorn monti......i'm just saying....
gon08
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I don't know of anyone in Florida or anywhere for that matter that sells A. palmatta or A. cervicornis. The only people allowed to collect them are biologist and a select few with permits to farm them EXCLUSIVELY to reseed and reintroduce them to dead or damaged reefs.
You claim to be misled by common names but if you googled A. palmatta you would realize it looks nothing like a Montipora. It doesn't even resemble any other acropora anywhere, it's pretty unique in its growth and shape. Elkhorn montipora is pretty common despite your claim to only have seen small colonies yet you have dove amongst massive colonies? I think you posted this and realized you may have caught your but with the door.
What's fishy about it? I read Elkhorn coral was collected illegally at times and shops in Florida were closed for selling Elkhorn. ORA sells Elkhorn now. I have Elkhorn. '
If Mushroom coral went illegal would people start rushing to take pics of their discoma mushroooms to prove they had them only to find out later biologist call Sarcophyton mushroom coral and that is what they were referring to.
If Mushroom coral went illegal would people start rushing to take pics of their discoma mushroooms to prove they had them only to find out later biologist call Sarcophyton mushroom coral and that is what they were referring to.
GOOGLE ELKHORN CORAL! How many fragments do you see? After figuring out my mishap it took me a long time to find a fragment large enough in size to compare. Acropora(and monti and many others for that matter) form different colony shapes depending on conditions. I remember getting rocked in the flow when I last saw Eklhorn in the wild which was before I started keeping SPS coral, so I hadn't examined them closely. Not knowing how the little things I have can grow up to be like a full colony of "Elkhorn" is what drove me to create this thread.
Your welcome to drive up and search my house. Welcome. Enjoy the ride will be a huge waste of time.
Your welcome to drive up and search my house. Welcome. Enjoy the ride will be a huge waste of time.
Does anyone know if I can report the individuals who offered to buy A. palmata from me? Just saying.
I have HD videos of every inch of tank in my house going months and months. If anyone wants to drive up from Florida and search my house and look at the vidoes they can confirm I've had "Elkhorn" for years, but never had A. palmata.
I thought somehow my Elkhorn would grow into beautiful branching colonies like they do out in the wild, but come to find they will look like a twisted shrub on the side of a mountain? I'm not happy about this and it ****es me off more when people accuse me of having illegal coral when I've spent many hours diving the reefs and refrained from taking anything including dead rock on the beach or shells. I reduce, reuse, and recycle all for the reefs and propagate and trade fragments, and plenty of other things. Get off me.
I have HD videos of every inch of tank in my house going months and months. If anyone wants to drive up from Florida and search my house and look at the vidoes they can confirm I've had "Elkhorn" for years, but never had A. palmata.
I thought somehow my Elkhorn would grow into beautiful branching colonies like they do out in the wild, but come to find they will look like a twisted shrub on the side of a mountain? I'm not happy about this and it ****es me off more when people accuse me of having illegal coral when I've spent many hours diving the reefs and refrained from taking anything including dead rock on the beach or shells. I reduce, reuse, and recycle all for the reefs and propagate and trade fragments, and plenty of other things. Get off me.
israel.kendall
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Ok, so I take it no one has any pics to share?
its cool man I believe you, everyone makes a mistake once n a while when posting a thread, I know I have. I live in Stuart, fl and have the ability to dive around Florida's corals and i have to say they are not nearly as impressive as the ones we get else where. total brown town in acro and monti world. I personally laugh when I read threads of people coming down to collect in Florida, its not any east feat and it costs a lot less to just buy it in the reef store.
dustinb2331
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Ya its messed up that a stupid mistake leads to people jumping your butt... Although here in florida they will take ur boat truck and fine the **** out of ya for taking fish that are out of season let alone endanger corals. Sorry you had so much bs over a stupid mistake. and still no photos.....
markie mark
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i'm just giving you a hard time...I thought the whole things is funny...I dont care if you have it or not and if it was legally aquired than selling a frag from a personal grown colonie would'nt matter I dont think....the only thing I was saying is that you putA. palmata on the original post..the difference between the monti and acro are pretty clear in pictures to anyone...dont get it all twisted up..there isnt a person in this thread that would turn down a piece of that coral...
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