Gulf oil leak discussion

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Their hasty solution has failed and the leak may continue dumping oil for months. So is this going to be the Chernobyl of the sea or am I overreacting? I'd love to hear some informed opinions on the impact of this.
I imagine the live rock farms in the gulf will be affected, any news from them?
thanks..dan
 
Dan,

Welcome to RC!

As far as I've heard on the news, the oil slick is moving north, onto shore around the Lousiana delta and Alabama - so the LR farms around Tampa should be unaffected.

I can't imagine how they can do any real work at the depths reported - 5000' - mini-subs have been deployed, but what can they really expect to do in regards to repairs? I heard on NPR today that the concrete bunker they dropped had ice crystals in it, making it ineffective - not sure what that means.

Personally, I have mixed emotions over this incident. Obviously, drilling for oil at the absolute limit of technology has great risks - but I wonder if we are really willing to forego ALL offshore drilling and accept $6+ per gallon gasoline? I worry about the knee-jerk reaction that may ensue - closing off ALL drilling because of this one (albiet horrendous) problem.

Nuclear energy extraction is very scary to many people, but it hasn't yet had the detrimental enviromental impacts of coal mines or oil extraction....yet the fear that it may have, has stymied its development. If offshore oil drilling goes the same way, how will we meet our energy needs?

Just one aquarist's personal opinion - which I guess means squat when talking about global issues like this!


Jay
 
Dan,

If offshore oil drilling goes the same way, how will we meet our energy needs?




Jay

I think becoming more efficient and using less fuel/energy would be a great place to start for you guys. Stop selling massive engined cars and trucks. Get some public transport going, mass transit, trains etc instead of sitting in traffic jams with your V8's burning fuel.

I think most of you guys really do live in your own bubble regarding energy usuage and consumption in general.
 
I think becoming more efficient and using less fuel/energy would be a great place to start for you guys. Stop selling massive engined cars and trucks.
I think you mean "stop buying" instead of "stop selling". The car companies react to our buying habits more than they lead us by the nose.
Get some public transport going, mass transit, trains etc instead of sitting in traffic jams with your V8's burning fuel.
Eh, maybe V6s on average. There are an awful lot of 4-cylinder cars over here to counterbalance the V8 trucks and V12 sports cars. Some of our cities have decent mass transit, but we also have a many-decades-established romantic dream that freedom and control come from sitting behind the steering wheel, even when we're sitting in traffic.
I think most of you guys really do live in your own bubble regarding energy usuage and consumption in general.
Definitely. I don't think the Brits are all that far behind us, though, compared to the lowest energy-consuming countries on the planet. There are more Yanks than Brits, spread out over a heck of a lot more terrain. Per capita, all of us in the developed world could stand to use energy more efficiently.
 
Personally, I have mixed emotions over this incident. Obviously, drilling for oil at the absolute limit of technology has great risks - but I wonder if we are really willing to forego ALL offshore drilling and accept $6+ per gallon gasoline? I worry about the knee-jerk reaction that may ensue - closing off ALL drilling because of this one (albiet horrendous) problem.
That's what I'm afraid of. We need to decide whether drilling in various countries and shipping the oil around the world in giant tankers is better, on the whole, than drilling near the places where the oil gets used. It would also be great to hear the discussion take into account the fact that oil spills are bad, no matter what country they occur in. If we spare the Gulf of Mexico at the cost of damage to the Baltic Sea, for instance, we're not doing the world any favors. The way to make a huge decision like this is with statistics and data, not a gut reaction to the latest spill close to home.
 
The answer is in alternative sources for oil. Oil can be made from microalage. The lipids in microalage can be converted to gasoline or even jet fuel. This has already been done. Cars of today/ Jet airplanes require no modifications to use this fuel. This technology does not suffer from the same disadvantages as ethanol from corn which consumes huge land resources.
 
I think you mean "stop buying" instead of "stop selling". The car companies react to our buying habits more than they lead us by the nose.Eh, maybe V6s on average. There are an awful lot of 4-cylinder cars over here to counterbalance the V8 trucks and V12 sports cars. Some of our cities have decent mass transit, but we also have a many-decades-established romantic dream that freedom and control come from sitting behind the steering wheel, even when we're sitting in traffic.Definitely. I don't think the Brits are all that far behind us, though, compared to the lowest energy-consuming countries on the planet. There are more Yanks than Brits, spread out over a heck of a lot more terrain. Per capita, all of us in the developed world could stand to use energy more efficiently.

Yes sorry Karl that's what I meant.

You guys emmisions per capita are around DOUBLE ours in the UK. And we are far from perfect, and completley unsustainble, you guys however are just on another planet it seems. I think that many Brits still think the american way of life of very high consumption and large engined cars is the way to go, even though our fuel is very expensive and taxed to hell. They dream of having your cheap fuel prices so they can all go out and buy a V8 or V6 truck or SUV.

The world has gone mad. It's official. :rollface:
 
I think Europe is on to something with the high fuel taxes. In the US, when we want to discourage people from smoking we raise taxes on cigarettes, and designate part of the revenue to go toward things like education. There's no reason to think we couldn't raise taxes on fuel to European levels, and designate part of the revenue to support expanded mass transit systems.

Wait. I'm wrong. There is a reason we couldn't do that: A majority of the US population wouldn't vote for it. If it was done by government agencies without a vote, we'd probably vote out the public officials responsible for those agencies at the earliest opportunity, and their successors would (mostly) roll back the taxes, amid pomp and circumstance and glowing speeches about freedom.

Oh yeah, the world's been mad for quite a while, now.
 
Yeah, not wanting higher taxes, when half of alot of peoples paycheck is taken already, sure is madness. :rolleyes:

We need to do as Maivortex suggests, explore more alternatives for oil. While we are not going to run out of oil overnight, it will slowly become far more expensive, and potentially more dangerous to the enviroment to extract it. Start encouraging private business to explore new fuels.

It would be fantastic if we had a public transportation system like Europe, but it is not too feasible for us. Most of our living conditions require a drive to work from the suburbs, and out public T system is woefully inadequate-
 
The United States isn't 64 million people stuck on an island like the UK (93,000 sq. miles). We are 309 million in population, in an area of 3.79 million sq. miles. There are very different lifestyles at hand, especially when it comes to consumption of certain commodities.

Taxing fuels is definitely not the way to go, and a very slippery slope. What's next taxing McDonalds and Oreo cookies? The way everything works is through the consumer. If consumers wanted small efficient cars, auto makers would have no problems producing them, and in fact they are some what popular. However, the fact of the matter is that for the last few years the two most popular vehicles in the United States have been full size pickups. Limited buyers into certain products that 'some people' want is definitely not cool. In fact, it starts with an "S" and ends with an "ism." If you want to change purchasing habits, educate them. Apparently that hasn't happened enough to warrant a change. And deservedly so.


About the oil spill, I am torn as well. The US consumes 24% of the world's oil supply, yet the US is only producing 3%. So one rig going down, and the costs associated with the clean up effort, shouldn't affect pump prices much. On that same coin, since we are only producing 3%, would an more restrictive approach to drilling for oil in the US, necessarily be a bad thing and really affect much? Not saying to abandon drilling, but take a more indepth look at what might be affected in a worst case scenario.
 
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The United States isn't 64 million people stuck on an island like the UK (93,000 sq. miles). We are 309 million in population, in an area of 3.79 million sq. miles. There are very different lifestyles at hand, especially when it comes to consumption of certain commodities.

Taxing fuels is definitely not the way to go, and a very slippery slope. What's next taxing McDonalds and Oreo cookies? The way everything works is through the consumer. If consumers wanted small efficient cars, auto makers would have no problems producing them, and in fact they are some what popular. However, the fact of the matter is that for the last few years the two most popular vehicles in the United States have been full size pickups. Limited buyers into certain products that 'some people' want is definitely not cool. In fact, it starts with an "S" and ends with an "ism." If you want to change purchasing habits, educate them. Apparently that hasn't happened enough to warrant a change. And deservedly so.


About the oil spill, I am torn as well. The US consumes 24% of the world's oil supply, yet the US is only producing 3%. So one rig going down, and the costs associated with the clean up effort, shouldn't affect pump prices much. On that same coin, since we are only producing 3%, would an more restrictive approach to drilling for oil in the US, necessarily be a bad thing and really affect much? Not saying to abandon drilling, but take a more indepth look at what might be affected in a worst case scenario.


Well done with the political reference. :thumbsup::fun5:

So basicly americans can't be educated to change their super consumption and pollution and you think that's a good thing.

Man you guys really are on another planet. Your world view is very short term. Get fat, die young. :lmao:
 
The way everything works is through the consumer. If consumers wanted small efficient cars, auto makers would have no problems producing them, and in fact they are some what popular. However, the fact of the matter is that for the last few years the two most popular vehicles in the United States have been full size pickups.

Well, that's the way we want it to work, unfortunately Americans aren't responsible consumers for the most part. We still have the attitude "If I can afford it, then I should be allowed to buy it", and price is the only real deciding factor. We still do not consider the impact of our lifestyle beyond our front doors.

Our energy consumption will eventually be regulated by the government whether we want it or not, call it socialism or whatever you want, because we are not capable of exercising self control. This is no different than how industry ended up be regulated by the EPA because it was not responsible enough to do the right thing on its own.
 
Well done with the political reference. :thumbsup::fun5:

So basicly americans can't be educated to change their super consumption and pollution and you think that's a good thing.

Man you guys really are on another planet. Your world view is very short term. Get fat, die young. :lmao:


I don't know where you get the idea that Americans cannot be educated about their consumption, and the poster you referred too never said they could not. Yes, the typical American was a super consumer. I doubt that is the case anymore since the economic downturn, most everyone I know is paying down debt and reducing their overall expenses. We were on a devt high, and it came back and bit us.

BTW, the UK is not exactly the spitting image of fitness, you guys are well on the way to your own problem with fatness. :wave:

http://www.nowpublic.com/health/uk-catches-usa-obesity

Youa also only have 1.2 years more life expectancy than us, so I would not really say we are dying young.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
 
Well, that's the way we want it to work, unfortunately Americans aren't responsible consumers for the most part. We still have the attitude "If I can afford it, then I should be allowed to buy it", and price is the only real deciding factor. We still do not consider the impact of our lifestyle beyond our front doors.

Our energy consumption will eventually be regulated by the government whether we want it or not, call it socialism or whatever you want, because we are not capable of exercising self control. This is no different than how industry ended up be regulated by the EPA because it was not responsible enough to do the right thing on its own.

:dance::thumbsup:
 
I don't know where you get the idea that Americans cannot be educated about their consumption, and the poster you referred too never said they could not. Yes, the typical American was a super consumer. I doubt that is the case anymore since the economic downturn, most everyone I know is paying down debt and reducing their overall expenses. We were on a devt high, and it came back and bit us.

BTW, the UK is not exactly the spitting image of fitness, you guys are well on the way to your own problem with fatness. :wave:

http://www.nowpublic.com/health/uk-catches-usa-obesity

Youa also only have 1.2 years more life expectancy than us, so I would not really say we are dying young.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Yes we have the same problems here. Consumer crazys eating and polluting themselves to death.
 
This is a very good link to what the actual conditions are off our coasts currently.
The author is a good friend of one of my best friends.
It is very promising information .

http://gallery.primofish.com/2010/Fishing_Diving/DeepWater_Horizon_Visit_May6/

David

Personally I would rather listen to experts than some guy on his fishing boat. I find it a little weird the way he says the jellyfish are affected but still looked alive.

Hope he didn't cause too much harm to that stunning and highly endangered Hammerhead.
 
The answer is in alternative sources for oil. Oil can be made from microalage. The lipids in microalage can be converted to gasoline or even jet fuel. This has already been done. Cars of today/ Jet airplanes require no modifications to use this fuel. This technology does not suffer from the same disadvantages as ethanol from corn which consumes huge land resources.

You GUYS!!! We're experts at growing algae! Why don't we fuel our cars with our fish tanks?!?!!?
 
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