redvipe2010
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Yep, a little high, I suggest a water change.
HELP!!!!!!!!!! Anemone dying????
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sarahkucera
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"good water" is not an appropriate response when asked what your parameters are, we need you to let us know what your test results are and how long they have been stable since your cycle completed.
You haven't answered how old your tank is. Judging by the cleanliness of the rock and glass in your picture and your 1/13/07 registration date, I'd venture a guess that your tank is far less than 6 months past the completion of its initial cycle.
You did give us your temperatures, which is too cold for a saltwater tank. Most people seem to keep them around 79-80 degrees.
Please provide full water parameters and let us know how old your tank is in order for us to be able to further help you.
If this nem dies, which is probable, we would at least like to be able to help you learn why this one died and help you to grow an environment in which a future anemone would flourish and thrive.
You haven't answered how old your tank is. Judging by the cleanliness of the rock and glass in your picture and your 1/13/07 registration date, I'd venture a guess that your tank is far less than 6 months past the completion of its initial cycle.
You did give us your temperatures, which is too cold for a saltwater tank. Most people seem to keep them around 79-80 degrees.
Please provide full water parameters and let us know how old your tank is in order for us to be able to further help you.
If this nem dies, which is probable, we would at least like to be able to help you learn why this one died and help you to grow an environment in which a future anemone would flourish and thrive.
Txcowboy22
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My sg is at .23 and I have high ammonia and nit. Should I do a water change? THe anemones is looking better, but I am worried about my tank, this is stressful! YUCK!
Txcowboy22
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OK, my tank never cycled. I used fully cured rock from a buddys' tank that had been set up for 2 years and live sand (from a bag). I have an Aqua c remora and an Aqua clear filter. The tank has only been set up for 5-6 weeks and I have had nemo since the begining. I will slowly raise the temp to 77-78 over the next day and I will change 10-15 gallons tomarrow. All my corals look great and the anemone is looking much better. I should have took it slower, but hind sight is always 20/20. I sure hope I don't lose my fish! I have a black tank raised true perc, & neon goby and they look great!
redvipe2010
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Sg is too low, target 1.026, but bring it up slowly. Yes, I would do a water change, amonia and nitrates should be zero.
redvipe2010
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Txcowboy22
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I have it low b/c its suppose to help against ich, I get advise from everyone, stressful. I don't know what is right..............
redvipe2010
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Your tank never cycled? Your hobby experience says 3 years!
Do the anemone a favor and offer him to someone in your local reef club until you can get a bettle handle on how to keep these creatures.
Do the anemone a favor and offer him to someone in your local reef club until you can get a bettle handle on how to keep these creatures.
redvipe2010
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You can't use low salinity with an anemone. That is for fish only!
Txcowboy22
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If you use fully cured rock it will not cycle. I never had a spike in NO2, No fish died I have had them for 5 weeks. It doesn't have to cycle when u add all the bateria needed from cured LR....
Txcowboy22
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How do I raise the sg, without a water change? I have salt, how can I add it without mixing a lot?
redvipe2010
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I suggest you do more reading on this subject.
redvipe2010
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You can't, unless you replace evaporated water with salt water, which IMO, is not a good idea, this will take too long. You need to do water changes with water that has a higher salinity, slowly until it gets brought back up. You can't add salt directly to your tank.
You also need a QT tank for you fish if you have ich, or you will loose them all.
sarahkucera
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I also hope you don't lose your fish!
This is definitely a hobby for patience, patience, patience.
Even though your LR was cured and active, your sand bed is brand new and hasn't had enough time to build up any of the beneficial bacteria necessary to help keep your tank stable. In a tank with a sand bed, the sand bed will provide an important portion of the filtration in a reef tank.
We also have no idea what sort of filtration you're using or anything else that is going on with this tank.
I think it might be best if you find someone to take the nem, pray that the rest of your fish live, and do some serious research on how to set up a new tank from scratch. It would be even better if you could find someone to hold your fish or return them to the LFS and start over from scratch. The first part of setting up your tank from scratch will include doing a lot more research than it appears you have put into this one. We're here to help you, not bash you, so don't think this is being mean or anything. We just want to help you out so that in 6 months or so you can have a happy and healthy environment for your fishies and nem. It hurts us to watch these beautiful creatures die because of a lack of patience on a hobbyists part and a lack of regard on the part of many LFS's who will sell anything to anyone to make a buck.
I'm setting up a new tank right now myself and even though I'm using live rock from my established 7 year old, 120 gallon tank, I've had just the tank and the rocks and the LR in the filter chamber and a couple of snails running for 5 weeks now alone. The cycle is also where you get used to the ins and outs of running your tank and keeping your parameters steady. I'm at the point now where I am going to add a couple of hardy green chromis fish and a full clean up crew to the 29 and let it keep cycling. It will be at least 6 months before I attempt to add coral or anything other than the hitchhiker GSP's that came in on one of the LR's already.
This is definitely a hobby for patience, patience, patience.
Even though your LR was cured and active, your sand bed is brand new and hasn't had enough time to build up any of the beneficial bacteria necessary to help keep your tank stable. In a tank with a sand bed, the sand bed will provide an important portion of the filtration in a reef tank.
We also have no idea what sort of filtration you're using or anything else that is going on with this tank.
I think it might be best if you find someone to take the nem, pray that the rest of your fish live, and do some serious research on how to set up a new tank from scratch. It would be even better if you could find someone to hold your fish or return them to the LFS and start over from scratch. The first part of setting up your tank from scratch will include doing a lot more research than it appears you have put into this one. We're here to help you, not bash you, so don't think this is being mean or anything. We just want to help you out so that in 6 months or so you can have a happy and healthy environment for your fishies and nem. It hurts us to watch these beautiful creatures die because of a lack of patience on a hobbyists part and a lack of regard on the part of many LFS's who will sell anything to anyone to make a buck.
I'm setting up a new tank right now myself and even though I'm using live rock from my established 7 year old, 120 gallon tank, I've had just the tank and the rocks and the LR in the filter chamber and a couple of snails running for 5 weeks now alone. The cycle is also where you get used to the ins and outs of running your tank and keeping your parameters steady. I'm at the point now where I am going to add a couple of hardy green chromis fish and a full clean up crew to the 29 and let it keep cycling. It will be at least 6 months before I attempt to add coral or anything other than the hitchhiker GSP's that came in on one of the LR's already.
Txcowboy22
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Thanks guys, I am going to see what I can do tomarrow
redvipe2010
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I'm not trying to bash you either, but your hobby experience says 3 years. If it had said new to the hobby, or something of that nature, I believe you would have gotten the help you needed sooner. Questions about your tank were asked at the beginning of this thread. I don't mind helping someone that is new to the hobby, but if you list 3 years experience, I have to believe you are familiar with things like Ich, water chemistry and cycling.
Txcowboy22
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Well, infact you are wrong. You can cycle a tank in as few as one day. YOU need to research this before bashing me on my thread!
Read this!!
http://saltaquarium.about.com/library/blank/bl_myths.htm
1. It takes at least 6 weeks to cycle a saltwater aquarium
MYTH:
It takes 6 weeks to cycle (establish the biological filter) a new saltwater aquarium.
FACT:
The original method used for cycling a tank consisted of putting a fish or two in a new tank, then waiting up to 6 weeks for the nitrobacter and nitrosoma bacteria to form and grow. It is now known that there are a number of methods which can cycle a tank in as little as one day.
Cycling with Live Rock
Cycling with Live Sand
Cycling with Bacterial Additives
I love how internet guys know everything about saltwater tanks when they really have no clue.
I do have 3 years experience, and you are just wrong.
Read this!!
http://saltaquarium.about.com/library/blank/bl_myths.htm
1. It takes at least 6 weeks to cycle a saltwater aquarium
MYTH:
It takes 6 weeks to cycle (establish the biological filter) a new saltwater aquarium.
FACT:
The original method used for cycling a tank consisted of putting a fish or two in a new tank, then waiting up to 6 weeks for the nitrobacter and nitrosoma bacteria to form and grow. It is now known that there are a number of methods which can cycle a tank in as little as one day.
Cycling with Live Rock
Cycling with Live Sand
Cycling with Bacterial Additives
I love how internet guys know everything about saltwater tanks when they really have no clue.
I do have 3 years experience, and you are just wrong.
sarahkucera
New member
I don't see anything on that webpage that says that using liverock will give you an anemone appropriate environment in 5 weeks.
It's recommended to wait for 6 months after a full cycle, regardless of what method you use to cycle your tank, before adding an anemone.
Yes, there is the occasional person who adds a nem into a fresh tank and it lives....stranger things have happened. But for every person whose nem survives being added to a fresh tank there are a thousand other nems who die unnecessarily.
A lot of your questions and things you so far haven't known (like lowering the salinity in a tank with a nem) are basics of saltwater husbandry.
It's recommended to wait for 6 months after a full cycle, regardless of what method you use to cycle your tank, before adding an anemone.
Yes, there is the occasional person who adds a nem into a fresh tank and it lives....stranger things have happened. But for every person whose nem survives being added to a fresh tank there are a thousand other nems who die unnecessarily.
A lot of your questions and things you so far haven't known (like lowering the salinity in a tank with a nem) are basics of saltwater husbandry.
Txcowboy22
New member
All I said is that all tanks don't have to go through a cycle, thats it!
I am well aware that some people think u should wait 6 months before adding a nem, I had others tell me differently. I also have heard of other ways to raise the sg, besides a water change. My LFS guy says you can add salt directly to your sump/filter, and he does it successfully.
You guys should have your own books.......
I am well aware that some people think u should wait 6 months before adding a nem, I had others tell me differently. I also have heard of other ways to raise the sg, besides a water change. My LFS guy says you can add salt directly to your sump/filter, and he does it successfully.
You guys should have your own books.......
Txcowboy22
New member
At least you don't have to go through the old school 6 week cycle, it can be done successfully in 1 day!
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