Help !!!! dinoflagellates

minras

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Hello,

3 months ago in my reef aquarium blooms a dinoflagellates algae, I have tried a lot of (but no medical) to solve this problem but no improvement, all water parameters looks good no amonii nitrates phosphates silicates, pH 8.2, kH 11, Ca 400, Mg 1290, my system is 500 liters 74kg of live rock, aquamedic shorty 5000 skimmer.
Maybe sombody has info howto fix my problem.

Thanks a lot for any info.


Mindaugas
Lithuania
 
I had the same problem in my reef tank, what i did was cut back on my mh's from 9hrs to only 1hr a day for about 2 weeks. I kept my vho's on their regular time. corals didn't like it but they made it . The dinflagellates just exploded when i put on my new lights. I can't gurantee it will work, but that what i did. good luck.
 
I dealt with this, and I believe when Borneman had a forum here, thats where the discussion was, because I was unable to determine if what I had was actually dinoflagellets or merely cyano. The kicker in deciding it was dinoflagellets came about when, in the mornings it would be gone, without a trace, but a few hours after the lights were on, it was everwhere, also the collection of the bubbles of snot at the surface.

We fortunately had a seperate tank that we could move "all" of the corals too. I say "all" because some got left behind, but oddly enough they seemed to suffer no adverse effects of the 'treatment'.

The treatment was a combination of about 3 days worth of research into the matter of dinoflagellets. We've battled cyano, and oddly enough the treatment is much the same with a few additions.

First off, we kicked the flow up. Part of our problem was extremely low flow (<10x turnover, which was something we really hadn't though about, which was a very newbie mistake) We bumped it to about 25x, and even now we're planning on getting it to ~40x in the near future. Secondly, feedings were cut drastically. Turns out that we were feeding an extreme amount of food to the tank. Its hard to determine what is overfeeding, but if you compare then to what we feed now, it was probably 10-20 times as much, and our fish are still happy and healthy, so I know were not underfeeding.

The oddest thing I learned through my research is that doing waterchanges to treat dinoflagellets will likely cause the symptoms to worsen as they have a fresh bout of nutrients from the water change water to feed off of. But aside from that, you want to be removing as many nutrients as possible. If you have a skimmer, skim wet. If you have a vegetable fuge, make sure you've got lots of light over it to help encourage the growth of the macros to hopefully help choke out the dinoflagellets. The odd thing is that doing this will not, at least in my experience, get rid of dinoflagellets, at least alone. The kicker was that we blacked the tank out for 5 days. For 5 days the tank stood in pitch black darkness. We wrapped the 150 with cloth to block out any light from entering the tank for the first 2 days and after that, the lights remained off. For the next week, we ran the actinics and halides for only an hour. The following week it was increased to 2 hours, and the third week 3 hours. After the 4th week, we were free and clear and back up to a normal photoperiod of 10 hours (8 hours of halides). We've been free of the infestation since then. Here's some pictures to give you an idea in a before and after fashion:

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And heres an after. Notice the absence of corals? We moved most of them to the frag tank, and about three weeks after we were back to full photoperiod we moved them back.
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This is a heck of a battle to fight, and in my research I found that many people get out of the hobby due to it, or at the very least break their system down and start over with new live rock/sand, but after having made the inital investment for approximately 120lbs of live rock, that simply wasnt an option given that it had only been 4-5 months since we had the majority of the rock. Breaking the system down to start over was only going to be an option should we lose the battle with this stuff, and we didnt. Good luck!
 
thanks for the info tekkno. i was battling that about 4 months ago. it was terrible... i bought a bunch of snails to get them to eat it and they couldn't eat it faster than it would grow back. needless to say it was a uphill battle but its finally gone.
 
I went through the same thing, dinoflagellates everywhere. Water changes definately didnt help. I was forced to discontinue water changes, and just maintain the basics. It took 3-4 months and finally it cleared up basically on its own. Unfortunately I lost quite a few favorite corals ( stony only ) in the process.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7628349#post7628349 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tekknoschtev
The kicker was that we blacked the tank out for 5 days. For 5 days the tank stood in pitch black darkness. We wrapped the 150 with cloth to block out any light from entering the tank for the first 2 days and after that, the lights remained off. For the next week, we ran the actinics and halides for only an hour. The following week it was increased to 2 hours, and the third week 3 hours. After the 4th week, we were free and clear and back up to a normal photoperiod of 10 hours (8 hours of halides). We've been free of the infestation since then. Here's some pictures to give you an idea in a before and after fashion:

I had almost the same experience, though I didn't know whether it was dinoflagellates or cyano I had. By an accident my aquarium was left (during Christmas) for 3 days without light, I lost one stony coral but the aquarium was rid of the red stuff (dinoflagellates or cyano) and I haven't seen it since :)
/Magnus
 
In my 40 gal seagrass, I am currently fighting my second bought with this stupid stuff. The first time, I believe I brought on the bloom because of over-dosing nutrients, such as iron and NO3. I had not been changing water much, maybe once every 3-4 weeks, so I began changing nearly 50% every 5 days or so, siphoning as mush of the stuff out as possible. After a few of those, the dino's really seemed to be broken, and went away.

Fastfoward to a couple of weeks ago, and its back. At the first sign of them this time, I did the big WC, sucking out every bit I could find. The next day, when I expected it to be much better, it was 10X worse! Have done 2 more since, and does not seem to be helping as it did before.

I am to the point now that I am going to try chemicals. I have used chemi-clean a million times(I do aquarium maintenence), and have heard it could help on the dino's. Also, we have a new product called "Slime Eraser", by the same comp that makes "Revive", that I think I may try first. It doesn't sound as harse as the chemi-clean, although I have no idea what is in the stuff.

I'll keep you posted...

Nathan
 
Water changes do nothing but help dino's. I have fought with this several times and one day at a lfs I was given the remedy and it has worked for me ever since. No dino's or cyno. Any item you have in your tank that catches debris such as sponges or filter socks are one of the leading causes. They hold that debris in place and allow whatever gets in them to decompose. Now I know that a skimmer is suppose to help with the removal or organics before they break down but it is not going to catch all of it. What I was told was to remove any sponges not absolutely neccessary to maintain the tank. Whatever you have in the tank that has to be left needs to be cleaned out at least every three days. If I leave my filter sock on the intake side of my refug for more than three days here comes the dinos. If I change it out every third day they don't appear. Also stir the sand bed . It makes a mess at first but it will settle and the mess will be less and less the more you do it. I do mine every other day.Also do your refug to , if you have one. Stiring the sand bed also helps put bacteria and other things into the water colum, which a lot of corals feed off of.
 
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