help please.....

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Well its been years now but I want to start up another tank,I have forgot pretty much everything I had once learned on the subject..lol....
I want to start up a little eclipse tank for my son, something easy, he can run, Its a 18 tall, any chance I can do this without a ton of water changes? I would be happy with a few damsels for color and maybe a critter or 2...can I do this with just some live sand, and a few small live rocks? or should I just scrap the idea and fill it with some freshwater? thanks !!!!
 
I'm in the same position of having done this ages ago and trying it now. The saltwater technology has changed radically: 1. instead of a sealed system in which you try to prevent evaporation, you try to make it evaporate up to a gallon a day for a 55gal and replace with fresh water via a float switch. 2. instead of a filter, you use a sandbed and live rock with a protein skimmer to get the last of the crud out. No more filter changes, just emptying the skimmer basket and replacing. 3. You use a sump about half the volume of your upper tank if you can find the room, which lets you make your changes/site your skimmer in safety: water cycles down to the sump and up. There may additionally be a refugium, a small area with live plants, sand bed, and light, for more processing of waste products. 4. because of the evaporation rate (and the growth rate of the critters) you need to test more. An easy way for your son to learn chemistry. 5. you do have to do at least monthly 20% water changes to maintain and prevent buildups; I run 10% weekly, which works out better. 6. Lighting is more complex, and in the case of corals, pricey. What else? Those are the major changes. NOW: back in the day, we ran a closed system salt tank stretch 30 with a penguin filter and a high-output fluorescent. We had to clean algae like fiends, but the fish were happy. You have to test every few days and still do those water changes, but for fish and a very few mushrooms or button polyps, those conditions will work. Getting a fish like a lawnmower blenny will at least help with the algae.
I hope that helps. On the one hand the pricey system is lower maintenance, but more bookwork and learning; and on the other, the other is more intuitive and less expensive. It all depends on what you want out of it...now if 'for my son' adds up to 'we' and you want to get into it, certainly you might find it fun, and get in over your head just like the rest of us.
 
Thanks for the input,
As of right now I want to set the tank up and see where it takes him, he is very young,6..but honestly can stick to things well, very smart little guy, we saltwater fish often, I want to get his head under the water more and let him catch a few things and see if he can keep them going, I know its not ideal to go that route but I like the idea of him learning trial and error with some supervision...what we have for starter would be the tank, eclipse top/filter, and the small pc light it comes with, timers...I was going to pick him up a small powerhead,...I would like to get away from constant water changes if I can.......any chance?
 
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My nephews (10, 5, 4) all love my tanks.

They have learned so much from my tank, that I wish I could get them one.

What they like the most are my brittle stars, hermit crabs, shrimp and my 2 blue devils (damsels).

I think it's a great learning experience and they all really like the inverts and such compared to the larger fish.

Good luck-I hope both of you have fun.
 
you could do something like a hermit crab and a small damsel or two.... You might also throw in a snail or two for algae control. All that will do just fine in a small system with a small bit of LR and some substrate. Water changes ARE just a necessity with salt.... However in a small tank like that its an easy affair. On a small tank like that there isn't a need for refugiums and wet/dry sumps and protein skimmers c'mon...its a little bug tank. If you are worried throw a strand or two of calerpa in there every couple weeks (the snails and hermit will munch on it).

A If there is a clean looking eclipse system you like go for it. At that system size and LIGHT bioload it isn't a big deal. Add a couple chunks of liverock, some substrate, 2x small snails (algae patrol), 1 or 2 small hermit crabs, 1-2 small damsels and you are fine.

Every two weeks do a 25% water change...set your outlook calendar to remind you.

Enjoy....
 
Don't get caught up in the technology changing over the years as you'll find most of the method have just cycled over the years and what work then will still work now. You don't need to do the "New in Thing" to have a successful tank.

You can easily setup a small tank with live sand and some live rock and a hang on filter with a bio wheel and be very successful. The eclipse tank setup will work very well, just get some easy fish like small damsels and an invert like small hermits or maybe a snail.

It is a learning process and it's better to start small than to invest a lot of money in a large system.
 
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