help purchasing a new home computer

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i am hoping that there are a few tech savy people in this forum.

It is time for me to replace my home computer and i am at a loss to find a good value. There are wayyyy too many options for one as ignorant as myself. With Black friday around the corner I am hoping I can get someone to point out a great deal if one pops up!

i am looking for a desktop tower only. I have a good monitor.

Primary requirements will be video editing and photoshop capable. Im not a big gamer.

I dont need the latest or greatest and dont need alot of extras. Just looking for a solid work machine that will hold up for a few years.

Thank you for any and all help!!!!
 
I am willing to spend what is needed but Im looking for value.

I do not want to put it together myself!. I cant and I'm not willing to learn....If it cant be fixed or built with a hammer im not the guy!

I am looking for plug and play. I am not beyond paying to have one built for me if that is an option.

My main goal is "dummy friendly" operation without alot of ad-ons. I want to focus on work and not have to fight the machine!

I am building an E-commerce website right now that has me on the edge of a stroke/nervous breakdown. I think im geting old :(
 
I've bought my last 3-4 computers from Sams. Desktops these days have so much more than the typical user needs and they are $500. I even stalk the return rack to buy one an additional 20-30% off because I don't care about the specs.

My 2 cents
 
Im not sure what type of videos you edit but for video editing get something with plenty of ram and a decent video card. Obviously larger files will need higher end computing power. SSD are pretty cheap now and would recommend that for your OS and a traditional HHD for storage.

Honestly there's so many choices, post what you want to spend or what your looking at and we can narrow it down.

P.s. I've been building computers for 15 years and I tell people all the time- if you can work a screw driver you can build a computer.
 
Well if all you do is browse the internet with occasional funny cat video from youtube about any cheap desktop may do. You can even save a lot more at that point and get something like a Raspberry Pi lol, smaller than smart phone and can act like a computer to a point for about $30 :)

Now, if you want for things to run smoothly, more intense application to perform faster you should start to care about what parts are there. I usually build my PC myself and spend around $1200-1600 on them. You can easily spend more, but I do not find that I can spend much less than $1000 and still get decent components.

Websites such as http://www.cyberpowerpc.com will build PC for you from whatever parts you want if you do not want to put it together yourself. Of course for that you are paying a bit extra.

To check how badly you are being ripped off by companies that build computer for you, http://pcpartpicker.com/ can be used. there you can find any component and put it into the proposed system. It searches over couple of websites to find you best prices. Once on website go to System Build button up top and start filling things in.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31.html Has a number of topics with polls for best PC for different applications, you can use those as a jumping off point.

As far as various parts (I do not know how much you know so this may be obvious):
CPU - This is what does most of the computation on your computer for most of the tasks. I would recommend staying with one of the Intel CPUs instead of AMD. As far as model choose i5 or i7 (both are in YXXX[k] format - Y shows generation, stick with 4, if k at the end is present that mean this CPU can be overclocked easily, you might not care for this part). Difference between i5 and i7 is numbers of fake number of cores. Basically CPUs are not built as a single big unit anymore, instead they stick few smaller CPU together on the same chip. Both i5 and i7 have 4 of these CPUs crammed in the same chip. But i7 has a hyperthreading technology that makes it a bit easier to switch between two applications, virtually giving you double the amount of cores. So your computer will actually thing you have 8 cores instead of 4 that you physically have.
Which you want will depend on the application - if you run a lot of programs at the same time i7 may be useful, otherwise it actually is more beneficial to stay with i5 model.

Memory - Scratch paper that your CPU uses while programs run. Higher amount is basically better, you are likely be good to go with 8gigs of this, going higher will not likely benefit you. Memory also has speed associated with it, here you can just stick with 1600MHz versions. For a brand I prefer Corsair.

Motherboard - everything plugs in here, it does have some other processing units. These can range from $70 to $300, higher priced MBs will include more things such as WiFi cards, bluetooth, etc. which might not be all that useful on a desktop. But they will also include better quality capacitors etc. Main parameter that is always included with MB is the chipset, latest one is Z97, I would suggest you get this. For a brand I always go with ASUS.

Hard drive - Basic storage. You may want to consider at least one SSD drive where all you programs and operating system will be installed. These are much faster than normal HDD ones. Size of 128g for the primary drive will give you plenty of room for Windows and bunch of programs. Secondary drive would then be just used for storage of say video and pictures, here you do not care as much about fast access so normal HDD drive would do. I would still look for a drive with 7200RMP, this affects how fast data is read. Size depends on your needs. 2 TB should be a good start.
For SSD something like Samsung Evo 840/850 would be a good choice. For HDD Western Digital Black, Blue, or Green (Black are faster drives, then it's Blue and then Green).

Video Card - Your motherboard will come with some basic video card capabilities. You are likely to benefit from having an actual video card for things like video editing as some of those calculations can be done by the video card instead of the CPU. Here I prefer nVidia cards and I usually go with ASUS for the manufacturer, although most brands should work as they all follow nVidia's specs when building the card. GeForce 970 that recently came out is a very powerful card at a very good price so a very good value, of course you may not need this much, but it would allow you to play games if you ever want to at very high quality. Other wise look at something in a previous generation 7xx, I would probably stay at 750+ model numbers.

Power supply - for what I've described so far 500-600 watt range would do. You may want to pay attention to the ratings of the PS such as Bronze Silver Gold etc. That shows how efficient they are and how clean of a power they produce. Good brand names here are Corsair and Seasonic. Getting a higher watt PS is ok, that will not mean that your PC always draws that many watts, just that the PS can supply that many if needed.

Case - Mid or Full tower would be a good choice, unless you have to have a very small case. Usually whatever is selected by default when you build a PC on some website should be ok. But more hole/fans, bigger size may be better for better cooling of components.

Sound card - Whatever is on the motherboard should be ok for this. On higher end MBs you may even have a rather good built in sound processor that would beat most of the cheaper sound cards.

Misc - blue ray drives, card readers, keyboard, mouse etc. add what you need.
 
I went on to tigerdirect.com and built mine for a the same amount you would spend for a store bought one. It is 10 tines faster and better then a store bought one. I got to learn how to put one together and it wasn't that hard. I am not a computer person by any means and I would build another one in a hart beat. Then when it's time to upgrade I just called them back they looked up my old order and told me what I needed and it only cost half as much then I had a new computer.
 
Because I use and worked with Adobe, I will give some insight..

You didn't mention what nle you use(I have used premiere for years) , but because you use Photoshop(I'm assuming CS or CC) here are my recommendations.

-First, have someone build it for you if you don't want to build it yourself. Your machine and editing experience will be much smoother with how the Adobe applications work together.
Second- scratch disks and drives. Because the Adobe applications have dynamic link, and how they operate, it is almost necessary imho for renders and cache within even one app, to run at least 2 sad, or better yet if you do a system set, an editing array (I like raid 0 and run a 4 disc 4TB) and an export disc. Though, if you run array, they are fast enough now to forgo the export drive.
-Third- ram.. Lol cram it with add much as you can afford! I have 16 gig in my laptop and 24 in my desktop. I build my own and that is the power you have with building. But put as much as you possibly can in there and you will have a smoother editing and render experience. Sometimes to most of the time, it should be real-time depending on your resolution your working with.
-Fourth - graphic card-and actually this is very, very big for Adobe products. Cuda Cores! The more the better with the card you choose. This puts you strictly in the Nvidia camp, but it pays off. Get the card with the most Cuda cores you can afford. That is very very big and important..
Fifth-cpu- actually not to important these days because all of the Intel i7 models are strong and will serve the purpose effectively..
6th-power supply - main thing is a reliable and reputable brand. With optical and solid state drives, along with ram, a decent graphic card, and other things, you want strong performance on all the rails, especially the gpu(if I remember, it's the 5V rail. I buy the same brand all the time so I don't worry about that anymore).
7th-motherboard - I know this is delving deep, but I like Asus and EVGA for their stability. You may just want to let your builder know and they will know your not joking around. They can base it around the board from there.
-8th-case- I like the HAF series of cases, but any aftermarket case will work well.

I know this is a lot, but just involving the Adobe stuff, it's a lot more than people realize to have a great working and productive station..And if you have an afternoon, you can easily build yourself a machine. And it's most gratifying at the same time. Short of building your own of you don't want, you will do fine with any type of video(short of say Red and I work primarily with full HD 10 bit 200mbs capture rate ) and photo editing(I work only with RAW on my machine and it's smooth and fast).
 
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For me, I would purchase a refurbished full tower workstation (Dell - Precision line, HP - Elite line), latest version if you can afford or previous generation.

From there you just upgrade as you go:
- SSD (Raid 0 if you want even faster)
- Main memory
- graphic card

I use a mid range Dell Precision line. 7xxx series is overkilled for me, and 3xxx is limited. 5xxx is balanced for me with dual Xeon CPU, plenty of memory slot.
 
I would get one with the latest chipset (Haswell - 22nm). If you wait till Q1-Q2 of FY15 they will be coming out with a major new architecture...Broadwell and Sky lake...I personally am waiting. If you can't wait, then just get a dell.

www.Newegg.com is a great site for that type of stuff. They sell all kinds of electronics. I use them all the time.

Btw, you could always get a laptop and just buy a docking station, that way if you are on the go then you can take it with you, but when home it works just like a desktop.

I recommend the lenovo (http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y50-uhd/)
 
He said he needs the basics with a little video editing and Photoshop capable, right?

What about that won't a $500 desktop computer do?
 
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He said he needs the basics with a little video editing and Photoshop capable, right?

What about that won't a $500 desktop computer do?

Basically, the reason recommended a strong machine. When he mentioned "for a few years", the tech nowadays is really changing fast. Also, when he mentioned adobe, they update their applications every year after NAB.. Each version requires progressively stronger machines, and honestly, you will never be able to keep up with the curve. Even professional editors that I worked with don't even try. But.. And the big but is, when you upgrade, do it right or don't do it at all.

If you have a strong system today, that same machine "should" be good for approximately 2 to 3 iterations of upgrades.

And my thing is I hate both rendering and slow exporting. I couldn't imagine dealing with the "make a change, render, make another change, render" route of flow. It's bad enough in After Effects when you don't have a good amount of ram and your ram previews are short(that irked me to no end when I first began working with it). I heavily use dynamic link(multiple applications working together, and open at the same time such as Photoshop for menus, Encore fir my blue rays and Web videos, Premiere for my main video editing, After Effects for animated titles, etc and Soundbooth for audio editing. All open at the same time and I just go from one to the other, making changes and the changes reflect on all the other applications, never having to render a single thing ) and it aids tremendously in speed of project realization. I spend time creating and not having my creative juices broken by renders. I may now only have to work 4-5 hours on something that before took days to a couple of weeks on lower ended systems. It's that dramatic of a difference..

I remember when I first got into testing, I tried to go into it with lower spec components. I was for a year constantly updating the same components and experiencing freezes and force closes on simple sequence projects. Nothing special as far as effects, etc, just simple titles, speed changes, yada, yada. But when I finally upgraded my core components, it was an amazing difference. Add to that, a few years ago, Adobe had instituted a system of "minimum install specs", that if you didn't have it, things would simply not install. The apps are not designed at all to work on bare minimums to be honest.

So those things above are the difference when working with Adobe applications. Other apps(suits) such as Vegas, Pinnacle, Avid, Final Cut and others may and probably do behave very different as far as scalability. But I haven't worked with anything besides adobe in well over 6 years.
 
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Can be quite a few things that $500 one won't do. But mainly you are talking about speed. Coming from my home computers to anything we have at UCF it always irritates me how slow things are, and some of those are not even cheap $500 machines, yet still manage to lag and take forever to load various things up.

Of course if a bit of waiting here and there is not an issue, just go by the case color and size of HDD :)
 
Chris, sorry to derail your thread but I am bored hearing about computer hardware. That is mind numbing. :-). I want to hear more about Damon giving us some free video editing classes on your new machine. :-)
 
From my understanding about his project, you guys are talking WAY over this subject.

He's basically "browsing the internet with occasional funny cat video from youtube" but he also wants to be able to use Adobe and Photoshop occasionally.
 
It's like buying a car...What are wants and needs? What is budget, then go from there.

honestly if he doesn't game I wouldn't get a top of the line video card to save on cost there.

A good (processor, memory, SSD solid state hard drive) would be enough.
 
Chris, sorry to derail your thread but I am bored hearing about computer hardware. That is mind numbing. :-). I want to hear more about Damon giving us some free video editing classes on your new machine. :-)

Lol, I learned long ago that there is a cost for everything.. Lol!
 
From my understanding about his project, you guys are talking WAY over this subject.

He's basically "browsing the internet with occasional funny cat video from youtube" but he also wants to be able to use Adobe and Photoshop occasionally.

Adobe what? Adobe makes a lot of apps(including Photoshop)..

I guess my thought is, when you mention Photoshop (and a lot of people like to name drop Photoshop these days), I would think that the person is serious.

It's not a cheap program to begin with, and the learning curve isn't light either. I guess that is my mistake. If he just wants to drag a photo into any graphic program, do auto color correction and maybe crop it, yeah, Lmao, just about any computer can do that.. And actually, for the time it takes to do that simple thing, there are better apps(such as elements) for that purpose that don't require the oomph behind it.

At that point, just get a machine with minimums from adobe's page. But if you really want to edit(composition, creating, layering, etc), that is something completely different and with Photoshop even (of their creative applications it's the lightest on a machine) it requires a bit more.
 
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