Help! SPS color fade.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12392838#post12392838 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by breutus
I would suggest not to start out feeding a ton all the sudden, if you have been feeding very little or in this case not at all you won't have the life in the tank it takes to clean it up when you overfeed.

heres how I feed typically, I take all the foods that i want to get into the tank that day, some times It's oyster eggs sometimes I put in phyto depends on the day, but one of them always go in, and everything else rods food a couple of silversides choped up, selcon, brine shrimp and then mix it all together in saltwater. then I get a turkey baster and gently blow it at each coral in the tank.

But for starters over the next week i would start with a small amount and build up a little more each time to get the life in your tank used to it. I feed a 16 ounce cup of very concentrated slurry every couple of days.

Your right about the lack of life in the tank and I will work up with the feedings. Thanks breutus!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12392841#post12392841 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reeferhead
FWIW, If you want to discover the real source of the problem, try changing just one thing at a time, rather than the shotgun approach. Take it slow, making huge multiple changes often makes things worse and makes it difficult to determine the source of the problem.

If you think you're nutrient starving the system (I'm not convinced yet that you are) then try skimming a bit drier or feed a little more and allow your system time to adjust.


Hey Nick,
Good info, I agree. So if your not convinced I'm starving the tank do you have another hunch?
 
Not really any good ones, but here's few for conversation sake :)

Red Bugs? Has your Alk stayed stable since you started noticeing the bleaching? Have you added any new fish (angels) or large leathers? Have you always used the same bulb type? What are you using for your Randy's two-part?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12392962#post12392962 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reeferhead
Not really any good ones, but here's few for conversation sake :)

Red Bugs? Has your Alk stayed stable since you started noticeing the bleaching? Have you added any new fish (angels) or large leathers? Have you always used the same bulb type? What are you using for your Randy's two-part?

There are no red bugs.

The Alk has been pretty stable. There was been a minor fluctuation when I switched from B-Ionic to Randy's 2-part. I new my consumption before the switch so calculating the change was pretty easy.

I'm using unbaked BS and Dowflake.

Other than the Monti nothing has been added. In fact I've removed some LPS.

The bulbs have been the same since all SPS except for the Hydno.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12392995#post12392995 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reeferhead
Oh, and have you made any recent changes to the flow regime in your tank?

No, The position of the power heads has not changed in a long time.
 
I'm not overly convinced either, given trates at 5 - 10. My tank that a couple of those corals came from runs at zero trates. Maybe there's a phosphate issue as well? I know that I have scanned over my frags with a big magnifying glass and have seen no red bugs. I have been QT'ing and dipping incoming SPS for awhile. Also check for AEFW's. He does have a large leather in there and I was wondering about that too. I got rid of a large toadstool I had before just so I wouldn't have that potential chemical battle going on.
 
There is a large Colt to the right, out of frame in the 3rd pic.
Do they really fight that much?

My Salifert PO4 kit always shows 0. I think I need them ckecked using a photometer. Anyone have one?
 
Any chance your getting some temperature fluctuations you not noticing?

Nutrient starvation could be your problem, I'm not going to say it isn't a possibility. The only reason I'm hesitant to suggest it is that I personally have never experienced it. I've only ever noted improvements in SPS color with nutrient limitation. IME the most common reason for bleaching, either long term or short, is fluctuations some parameter commonly: SG, temp, pH or Alk.

SPS: "Stability Promotes Success"
Its difficult to do in a smaller tank, trust me I know.

Good Luck
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12393221#post12393221 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jbarone
There is a large Colt to the right, out of frame in the 3rd pic.

My Salifert PO4 kit always shows 0. I think I need them ckecked using a photometer. Anyone have one?

Did you add the colt or has it significantly increased in size since the bleach issues started? If so I wouldn't recommend removing the carbon.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12393227#post12393227 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reeferhead
Any chance your getting some temperature fluctuations you not noticing?

Nutrient starvation could be your problem, I'm not going to say it isn't a possibility. The only reason I'm hesitant to suggest it is that I personally have never experienced it. I've only ever noted improvements in SPS color with nutrient limitation. IME the most common reason for bleaching, either long term or short, is fluctuations some parameter commonly: SG, temp, pH or Alk.

SPS: "Stability Promotes Success"
Its difficult to do in a smaller tank, trust me I know.

Good Luck

SG has been dead on at 35ppt for as long as I've had my ATO, over a year

PH is also very stable unless we have a large group of people over then it will dip a bit but rebounds quickly.

Alk on the other hand has been a little wavy not radical though
 
A photometer won't help you. Inorganic PO4 will almost always read zero even with it. You could try running a little GFO if your not already.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12393246#post12393246 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reeferhead
Did you add the colt or has it significantly increased in size since the bleach issues started? If so I wouldn't recommend removing the carbon.

The colt has been in there a long time. Almost from the start. It's grown but not much.

Ya know...None of my softies have grown much ever. Come to think of it, I've had a green sinalaria for over a year and nothing. The same with a Kenya tree, hardly any growth. Zoas are so so. Nothing to brag about.
 
I was completely unaware of the daily temp and pH fluctuations I was having until I hooked up my ACjr to an old laptop and ran it as a datalogger. I've since taken measures to limit these fluctuations and have noticed nothing but improvement.

Before:
Night: Temp 77-78 pH 7.8
Day: Temp 82-83 pH 8.2

Now:
Night: Temp 79.0 pH 8.0
Day: Temp 80.5 pH 8.2

Its doesn't seem like much but it has made a huge difference
 
FWIW, Jamie, keep working with it and see if you can narrow down what's going on, but if you happen to lose that green acro frag you got from me, I'll get you another one freebie once you figure things out more.
 
Ya know...None of my softies have grown much ever. Come to think of it, I've had a green sinalaria for over a year and nothing. The same with a Kenya tree, hardly any growth. Zoas are so so. Nothing to brag about.

That is odd and would lead many expect this reinforces the nutrient starvation idea. However, as Shooter already pointed out you're registering fairly notable nitrates. Maybe try a new NO3 kit just to be sure yours is accurate.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12393399#post12393399 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Shooter7
FWIW, Jamie, keep working with it and see if you can narrow down what's going on, but if you happen to lose that green acro frag you got from me, I'll get you another one freebie once you figure things out more.

Thanks Dave. I have every intention of figuring this out. I really enjoy this hobby and so does my family.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12393402#post12393402 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reeferhead
That is odd and would lead many expect this reinforces the nutrient starvation idea. However, as Shooter already pointed out you're registering fairly notable nitrates. Maybe try a new NO3 kit just to be sure yours is accurate.

Yeah, I'm thinking the tank is starved too.

Is 5-10 in nitrates really that out there? I have seen and read about SPS tanks that are far more off than that and they look great. Some seem to think that trace amounts are necessary. I will veryify the nitrates tonight.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12393504#post12393504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jbarone
Yeah, I'm thinking the tank is starved too.

Is 5-10 in nitrates really that out there? I have seen and read about SPS tanks that are far more off than that and they look great. Some seem to think that trace amounts are necessary. I will veryify the nitrates tonight.

No, they're not out there but if your reading is correct it does suggest the nutrient limitation is not your problem.

I rarely register any NO3 at all using a Salifert Kit. I'm to the point where I only test for it bimonthy or when something in the tank looks off.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12393402#post12393402 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reeferhead
That is odd and would lead many expect this reinforces the nutrient starvation idea. However, as Shooter already pointed out you're registering fairly notable nitrates. Maybe try a new NO3 kit just to be sure yours is accurate.

Yup me too- most of the other ideas would support why SPS colonies would fade, but not be the reason why a dirty water loving soft coral would not thrive.

Though I think we have given you 500 or so ideas to try on the tank. Best of luck in getting the problem solved! :cool:
 
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