Help Stock my 200g rimless :)

[spslove]

This is the most ridiculously ignorant statement you have just made. "It is almost impossible for you to have jumpers"? "I dont have the knowledge of your fishes personalities"? This is absurd.

How do you know why fish jump? Do you speak to them? Before and after they jump? And you "know" your fishes personailties, relationships, and rationale, how exactly?

I dont think its a secret. Fish get scared or chased and run out of real estate. If you think i gotta talk to the fish to figure that out then you need much more help then me. Making childish, non positive comments like you are is not going to help anyone.

acting as if you have mastered fish behavior and understanding, and know the reasons for unexplainable fish behavior is quite pathetic. If you know such much about why fish jump, and know their reasons for doing so, why do you bother asking for assistance. You should just talk with the fish and ask if theyll be OK.

I have a good understanding, why make these smart a statements everyone knows the logical answers to?

Just because you couldn't figure out why your fish jumped doesn't mean its unexplainable.

Im not about to start making fun of you because you think a fish from a big ocean jumping out of a small tank in the living room is unexplainable.

 

[spslove]

Stay away from the Maroon clowns! They are not only aggressive, but they will fan your sand all day long making your beautiful rimless Elos a white, soupy mess. I have them in my 92 corner and I wish I could catch them and take them out. They won't come anywhere near the 160xl I'm currently cycling. I'll probably add a couple of percs.

Thanks, im def gonna stay away from the maroons after reading that. I like the percs, if i add clowns i will go with percs. What else are you going to stock?

 

[Sardaukar]

I understand you dont like rimless tanks and think my fish are all going to jump out. Why do you keep singing the same song.

Lemme tell you what i do KNOW just because you seem confused. If i transferred the fish in my 100g to 200g (Mandarin, Diamond Goby, Powder Blue Tang, Hippo) it is almost impossible for me to have jumpers. I wouldn't even make a cover. You would disagree even with no knowledge of my actual fish and their relationships. This makes it unlikely i take any advice from you when it comes to stocking rimless tanks.

I think you are wrong and you think im wrong, lets leave it at that.

jus for the record, I listen to what everyone has to say. You have been ignoring posts in this thread. Im not going to keep midas blenny and clowns as was suggested. I think thats a wise decision not to keep those extra fish. I have no problems with getting advice.

Let me break it down really clear for you. Multiple people have pointed out that 1) most every fish is capable of 'jumping' for one reason or another and 2) that the reasons fish 'jump' are numerous and not always obvious. We are simply letting you know that if you run a tank open topped, you run the risk of having fish jump out at some point. If you feel like you have a firm grasp on the reasons fish jump and how to avoid them, then fine.

I suspect, however, having read your posts, that you are not as prepared as you think - for example, you feel that your fish will be fine in the new tank because they are fine now. Many people have had previously non-aggressive fish suddenly become aggressive after a tank upgrade when the environment is new, territories are reset and new tankmates are potentially added. Your docile powder blue (a fish well known for aggression) could suddenly turn into an aggressive bully with the same fish it got along well with, simply from being moved to the new tank. Its happened plenty of times before to people.

We are simply trying to translate our experience into a better life for the fish in your tank by warning you that open top = risk of jumping, no matter what you do.

 

[tcwoodrn]

IBTL. :lol:

Ignorant. If you have young children at your house and a pool in the backyard, would you not put a fence around it, being it wouldn't look as nice? Would you chalk it up to the fact that that's just the risk of having kids and a pool?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.... its hard to see you way up on your pedestal. The two of you have contributed nothing to the purpose of this person's thread. He asked about what fish to put in his tank, not whether he should have a lid or not.

Why are the mods allowing you to hijack this thread??????

 

[chasekwe]

The way I see it, jumping will be an issue for you... everyone has made that clear enough so I don't see a reason to discuss further. That said, I think sometimes people on this site lose sight of the fact that you're coming here looking for advice on stocking for a happy/healthy tank which is 100x better than 95% of the aquarium keeping community.


Here is my take on your stock list, barring carpet surfing concerns.

IMO the maroons are too aggressive, go with clowns, just less aggressive ones that stay smaller.

Otherwise, I think your list is mostly fine. I don't think you should add any more acanthurus, generally an Achilles will not work with a PBT in 200g. And if you didn't already have them I would suggest against the PBT and Blue in a 5' tank but being that those are already a given you should certainly take the opportunity to place them in the larger tank.

As for bioload, assuming a decent sized sump, your tank looks good... quite a few small fish, you could probably add a fair few more. (small ones)


So like:
1 Powder Blue Tang (3.5", in my 100g)
1 Pacific Blue Tang (3", in my 100g)
1 Black Tang or Purple Tang - Keep in mind that, given time, these will also be quite mean.

9 Lyretail Anthias (1m, 8f)

1 Mandarin Goby( m) (2.5", in my 100g)
1 Mandarin Goby (f) possible to pickout a female that will get along with my male? Yes
1 Diamond Goby (2.5", in my 100g)
1 Goby shrimp pair? Trying to decide which ones.
2 Midas Blenny (pair) or 2 or 3 Black Combtooth blenny or a mix of both?

2 Ocellaris clowns

2-5+ additional fish depending on size, activity and your systems ability to cope.

 

[boozeman]

Stock whatever you want... it is, after all, YOUR TANK. There is no exact science to the aquarium game. The best part of people "hating you" is that they don't matter, you don't know them, and they don't pay for the ups and downs your tank will go through.

This may be the best advice given so far :bigeyes:


BTW heres a pic of my elos system70 which is roughly about 50 gal. It has been running well for the past couple of years with
one black tang
two misbar clowns
three anthias
two pajama cardinals
one golden angel
one red mandarin
three sexy shrimp
one harlequin shrimp
one yashia goby
one pistol shrimp
one carpet anemone
one bubble tip anemone

....and if I had a dime for each time someone told me I couldnt but any of these inside an open top tank :fun2:

 

[anbosu]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.... its hard to see you way up on your pedestal. The two of you have contributed nothing to the purpose of this person's thread. He asked about what fish to put in his tank, not whether he should have a lid or not.

Why are the mods allowing you to hijack this thread??????

Probably a few reasons.

1. They are right.
2. The type of tank (in this case rimless with no cover) is relevant to the type of fish that can be housed.

I don't understand why someone would start a thread asking for advice and then patently ignore the advice people give you. I would guess that almost everyone in this hobby for more than a year has had a fish jump out of their tank and die. It sucks and that's why people are giving advice so the OP can try to avoid the same experience.

 

[Sardaukar]

This may be the best advice given so far :bigeyes:


BTW heres a pic of my elos system70 which is roughly about 50 gal. It has been running well for the past couple of years with
one black tang
two misbar clowns
three anthias
two pajama cardinals
one golden angel
one red mandarin
three sexy shrimp
one harlequin shrimp
one yashia goby
one pistol shrimp
one carpet anemone
one bubble tip anemone

....and if I had a dime for each time someone told me I couldnt but any of these inside an open top tank :fun2:

Don't confuse warnings that your fish may jump with guarantees that they will.

 

[spslove]

Let me break it down really clear for you. Multiple people have pointed out that 1) most every fish is capable of 'jumping' for one reason or another and 2) that the reasons fish 'jump' are numerous and not always obvious. We are simply letting you know that if you run a tank open topped, you run the risk of having fish jump out at some point. If you feel like you have a firm grasp on the reasons fish jump and how to avoid them, then fine.
We are simply trying to translate our experience into a better life for the fish in your tank by warning you that open top = risk of jumping, no matter what you do.

I completely understand what your saying and
In post #15 i made it clear that i understand about fish jumping, i don't know why we kept talking about it afterward but your posts have been helpful.

I suspect, however, having read your posts, that you are not as prepared as you think - for example, you feel that your fish will be fine in the new tank because they are fine now. Many people have had previously non-aggressive fish suddenly become aggressive after a tank upgrade when the environment is new, territories are reset and new tankmates are potentially added. Your docile powder blue (a fish well known for aggression) could suddenly turn into an aggressive bully with the same fish it got along well with, simply from being moved to the new tank. Its happened plenty of times before to people.

Im hoping that wont happen in my case but ill watch them closely when in the new tank. They get along really well, constantly swimming together with no signs of aggression. The Hippo kind of follows the Powder blue's lead a little bit. However if the Powder blue gets aggressive i will keep a top on the tank when i'm not around or take a tang out. Ill figure it out.

 

[spslove]

IMO the maroons are too aggressive, go with clowns, just less aggressive ones that stay smaller.

Thats what everyones telling me. They had some nice black percs at my lfs today i was all ready getting tempted. If i do get some percs, you think i can get more then 2? like 3-5?

As for bioload, assuming a decent sized sump, your tank looks good... quite a few small fish, you could probably add a fair few more. (small ones)

So like:
1 Powder Blue Tang (3.5", in my 100g)
1 Pacific Blue Tang (3", in my 100g)
1 Black Tang or Purple Tang - Keep in mind that, given time, these will also be quite mean.

9 Lyretail Anthias (1m, 8f)

1 Mandarin Goby( m) (2.5", in my 100g)
1 Mandarin Goby (f) possible to pickout a female that will get along with my male? Yes
1 Diamond Goby (2.5", in my 100g)
1 Goby shrimp pair? Trying to decide which ones.
2 Midas Blenny (pair) or 2 or 3 Black Combtooth blenny or a mix of both?

2 Ocellaris clowns

2-5+ additional fish depending on size, activity and your systems ability to cope.

Filtration wont have a problem, in my opinion. Ill be using a 100g sump w/ 30g refugium and a 30g frag tank and a lot of live rock.

What do you think about adding a small harem of wrasse? You think i should add the blennies? Which ones?

 

[spslove]

This may be the best advice given so far :bigeyes:


BTW heres a pic of my elos system70 which is roughly about 50 gal. It has been running well for the past couple of years with
one black tang
two misbar clowns
three anthias
two pajama cardinals
one golden angel
one red mandarin
three sexy shrimp
one harlequin shrimp
one yashia goby
one pistol shrimp
one carpet anemone
one bubble tip anemone

....and if I had a dime for each time someone told me I couldnt but any of these inside an open top tank :fun2:

haha, I like the list, thats a gorgeous black tang, i want 1 just like that.

 

[spslove]

Probably a few reasons.

1. They are right.
2. The type of tank (in this case rimless with no cover) is relevant to the type of fish that can be housed.

I don't understand why someone would start a thread asking for advice and then patently ignore the advice people give you. I would guess that almost everyone in this hobby for more than a year has had a fish jump out of their tank and die. It sucks and that's why people are giving advice so the OP can try to avoid the same experience.

Iv had fish jump out of tanks and die. I explained that i know about fish jumping way back, those two were going overboard by drawing pictures and making rude comments that have nothing to do with the thread. I think a lot of their comments were about me talking to fish and questioning my knowledge about jumping.