Help! Two-year-old Bio-cube Dying

kerrywnm1

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Hello,

I need some help please with my two-year-old Bio Cube 29. It has always been relatively stable. I do regular partial water changes with Nutri-SeaWater. I use Seachem matrix carbon, Purigen, and Chemipure Elite in a media basket and have a protein skimmer. I have lots of live rock with copious amounts of coralline algae.

I had several soft corals, Kenya tree corals, mushroom corals, several polyp rocks, two feather dusters, a small coral banded shrimp, a red-legged hermit crab, a serpent star and five small reef fish. All were doing well and some of the corals were actually flourishing.

About a week ago the tree corals, which had always done very well, began to die, followed by the coral banded shrimp and then the feather dusters. The water turned slightly cloudy. I removed as much of the dead carcasses as possible, did a partial water change and changed out the filter media. A few days later, all the invertebrates in the tank, including my serpent star, began dying wholesale. The fish seemed unaffected. I checked for any kind of metallic poisoning, but couldn't find any possible source. I checked the water parameters: ammonia: 0.02; O2: 8.1; pH: 8.2; nitrate: 5; phosphate: 0.0; temp: 78-degrees F; specific gravity: 1.025.

The ammonia was slightly high due to the die-off, so I did another partial water change. The water is still slightly cloudy despite the new filter media. The rest of my corals are looking really bad and more have died. The fish still seem to be behaving normally and are apparently unaffected.

I am puzzled as to what is going on. Doesn't seem like anything is helping, the tank continues to die. The only changes prior to this happening was the addition of a small rock covered with mushroom corals and they were doing well. No equipment changes, medications added or lighting changes were made.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Kerry
 
Any use of chemicals in the house? Even things like lysol, window cleaner, etc across the room can have a bad effect on an established tank


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No, nothing like that I am aware of.

There seems to be a bacterial bloom in the tank causing the cloudiness. I have a UV sterilizer on and I am not sure if I should turn it off. Today I noticed some red cyanobacteria forming against the front of the glass below the gravel line. This tank is really descending into hell.
 
I use Nutri-Seawater when I do the water changes and buy gallons of RO drinking water that I put in the ATO system.
 
Check all your parameters. Salinity, Temp, Ca, Kh etc. Double check any results you can.

Check all your equipment. Has the heater cracked and could it be leaking stray voltage. Are there any glass thermometers that might have broke and leaked metals.

I would start doing large 50% water changes to get rid of the bacterial bloom, change your carbon to remove anything nasty in the water. Remove anything that’s dead or decaying. An air stone might help keep things alive unless you have a protein skimmer. Add extra flow and filtration to remove as much particulates as possible.

Best of luck I’ve been through this sort of thing before and I know how much it sucks.
 
^^^ this. Check pump magnets for degradation and rust as well. Something cause the tank to crash. When softies like you have die they unleash hell on the tank, the chemicals they release are toxic. Even when living they release chemicals into the water. My guess something unknown at this point killed the kenyas and cause a chain reaction ending in a tank crash. Do you have any stinging corals near the kenya trees that could have killed them?
 
My Kenyas were sort of off by themselves on one side of the tank away from the other corals. I had quite a few of them when they started dying.

I've checked everything for possible contamination, but as of yet have discovered no smoking gun. Water parameters are all good except for the slightly elevated ammonia. I tried to pull out the dead corals, but they have largely turned into amorphous goo, making it nearly impossible.

I put in new matrix carbon to try to filter out anything I can in the water and despite the water changes, the cloudiness is still apparent.

On a positive note, one of my feather dusters that I thought was dead (dropped his crown early on), has made an appearance this morning with a fledgling new crown.

-- Kerry
 
I hooked up an additional canister filter filled with carbon media and am filtering the heck out of the tank. I have removed all the dead organic material I can get out. The pH has dropped from 8.2 to 7.8 and the ammonia has now climbed to 0.05 ppm. The fish are starting to show signs of stress with increased respiration rates. Grayish-white bacteria mats have started to form on the rocks where some of the corals have died. Not sure what else to do.
 
and buy gallons of RO drinking water that I put in the ATO system.

have you tested that RO water? you really want RODI water, there can be a lot of contaminants in that RO water, depending on the quality of tap water that went in to produce it.

do you have a TDS meter?


J.
 
No, I don't have a TDS meter. I just buy several gallons of RO drinking water at the supermarket and put that in my ATO reservoir.

The filtering with the canister filter packed with carbon media has started clearing the water up. The ammonia has decreased to 0.022 ppm as indicated by my Seneye. I checked the ammonia with my Red Sea test kit and it registers as zero. I need to check the nitrate.

The pH is still a problem. Since the crash it plummeted from 8.2 to 7.8 and seems to be holding there. Should I try to raise the pH back up or hold off for a while?

Thanks,
Kerry
 
No, I don't have a TDS meter. I just buy several gallons of RO drinking water at the supermarket and put that in my ATO reservoir.

The filtering with the canister filter packed with carbon media has started clearing the water up. The ammonia has decreased to 0.022 ppm as indicated by my Seneye. I checked the ammonia with my Red Sea test kit and it registers as zero. I need to check the nitrate.

The pH is still a problem. Since the crash it plummeted from 8.2 to 7.8 and seems to be holding there. Should I try to raise the pH back up or hold off for a while?

Thanks,
Kerry

I would think the RO water from the supermarket may also be suspect too. I try to avoid using it (only in emergency situations) as I have no idea pure it truly is. Do you buy pre-packaged RO water or directly from an RO filter machine? There is not telling how often or with what they clean out those RO machines. I think using that water is very chancy. I would look into buying your own RODI unit. You can get them for around $120 for a good system. You can get them even cheaper if you buy used.
 
The 2 things that are unknown to you (the RO water and the nutrisea water) I would completely eliminate. You have no clue what's in there and have zero control of either of these things. Either buy an RODI filter and make your own or buy from your LFS. As far as the SW, once again, make your own or buy from the LFS. Good luck to you.


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We are on a well (in uranium and arsenic country) and I am sure there are nastier metals in there that a household RODI may not be able to completely remove. That's why I went for the prepackaged gallon jugs of RO drinking water for my top-off water.

--- Kerry
 
We are on a well (in uranium and arsenic country) and I am sure there are nastier metals in there that a household RODI may not be able to completely remove. That's why I went for the prepackaged gallon jugs of RO drinking water for my top-off water.

us humans can consume a whole lot of chemicals, that would kill our reefs ;)
for human consumption drinking water will most likely contain stuff that's not good for your tank.

if you want to purchase water in the store, buy distilled water, not water labelled as "drinking water".


J.
 
us humans can consume a whole lot of chemicals, that would kill our reefs ;)
for human consumption drinking water will most likely contain stuff that's not good for your tank.

if you want to purchase water in the store, buy distilled water, not water labelled as "drinking water".


J.

My main worry would be getting some of the chemical they used to clean out those big RO units into the water. Inverts are very sensitive to stuff like that. Save yourself the headache and make your own RODI water. And we had pretty nasty water at my last place too. We went through filters faster then most people but not like super fast.
 
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