Help with bio-pellets

cliff717

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OK guys so here's my predicament .
My bio pellets work very well and unfortunately I cannot get away from using them. They ran out on me about three weeks ago and I had a major nitrate spike I thought that my ATS and my refugium would kick in as the bio pellets deteriorated but they did not so I was forced to fill my reactor with pellets again. My problem is that they work too well I end up with zero nitrates and my LPS start to suffer. How do I control this better? I have read of using a recirculating type of bio pellet reactor that Way I could control the amount of effluent going through the reactor. With that work better? Any experience would be greatly appreciated
thanks
Cliff
 
When I first started with BP's I also had a refugium running, but had to make a choice of which one to run since ultimately there were not enough N's and P's for both to run successfully, so I chose the BP reactor. I would think that with an ATS, a fuge and a BP reactor running simultaneously, you may have a similar problem.
 
Yes maybe you are right I would love to keep it a fully natural system and get rid of the bio pellets but it just seems like that Way will not process enough nitrates for me
 
My 10 years of carbon dosing agrees. We have come a long ways from a teaspoon of sugar.
 
Yes I remember sugar dosing back in the day funny enough I kept getting bees in my aquarium and I finally figured out they were coming in for the sugar LOL I just find with pellets that it's hard to regulate The amount of nitrates in my system I would rather Not have a ulns tank. I guess maybe I just have to play with how much I am using
 
I always started with half the recommended amount and sometimes less and never let them bounce around aggressively, that causes too much friction which wears the pellets down, encourages bacterial mass all over the tank that isn't the effective way to use them. They do not have to tumble to work. The flow through the reactor also doesn't have to be fast, this is where the recirc reactor shines.
 
You want your flow through the reactor to just keep the pellets fluidized, too little flow can cause them to clump together, limiting and potentially stopping the flow, too fast will slough off the bacteria too soon, and cause a certain amount of unnecessary wear to the pellets. I would suggest you don't fill your reactor more than half way when idle, and keep the level of pellets no more than about 2/3 of the way when operating.
 
I Think its about space that you have.
if you have a big sump room where you can run a huge refugium its much easier to maintain then the bio pellets and more stable for the system.My Refugium is a 55 gallon drum split long ways each half connected with 2 two inch bulkheads.. The water water from the tank splits off about 300 gph goes thru the refugium tanks.. one of them is full of caulerpa suspended over a sand bed the second tank has a egg crate divider in the middle with half of it with a ball a chato and the other half live rock. its lit by 8-20w 7 k cheap led spotlights..
When i ran a bio-pellet reactor i had a off and on fight with bacteria blooms/ algae in my tank..
now its perfectly clear. over time i have noticed growth patterns in refugium growth to how often i do water changed and other maintenance such as cleaning the skimmer. i keep the refugium caulerpa tank about half full of algae with is harvesting about a gallon container a week . The tanks are infested with more pods then i have ever seen in in all my years having a reef tank. and i spend way less time with taking care of it.
To me its as close to the natural ocean as you can get..

Sorry for such a long winded post but i feel people way over look the value of a refugium but it has to Very large to do its job.....

the fuge is totally gravity fed so does not require additional water pump but i guess the lights use more power then a bio pellet reactor pump.. i also feed some of the calurpa to the fish on a weekly basis .The other thing because i have no filter socks i keep Guppies in the refugium tank they will not eat the pods but do eat any food that makes it way there from feeding the display tank. the fry of guppies also end up back into the display natural food for the fish
 
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To answer your question about recirculation reactors for pellets, simply yes! The main stories you hear such as yours are from using single pass reactors.. Geek, even I experienced the exact same thing when I first began with my 2lf 150.. Then,I stepped up to recirculation about 4 to 5 years ago(it's hard to recall because it's been so long that I've run them to be honest)..

Once you get into the recirculation with a "good"reactor, I would say, with the exception of one case that I have read about, that I couldn't figure out, your good to go.. None of the cyano, none of the stripping, none of the "add half at this point, or tumble like this, because of this".. And most importantly, none(once again, as long as you buy good stuff) of the sticking, and especially, none of the fiddling..

I will just say that as far as my pellet reactor, I have cleaned it two to three times max over the years.. I don't fiddle with the valve(effluent), and I pretty much dump the pellets in(i put in, and have, since after my first fill and learning about the reactor, full doses.. It doesn't matter with the recirculation), turn it on, and forget about it.. I don't check nitrate, simply because I know where it is going to be.. It has been that way for years.. And it honestly, is a bit of a waste of time.. It is always at 0.5 because that's where I set the valves.. I check it maybe twice to three times a year, just to check it.. And I also have always run a fuge, and am now running an algea scrubber.. Both for phosphates and pod production.. And I've never had a problem doing so. I control that simply with a valve.. It's enough nitrate to keep color in my sps, and also to somewhat keep phosphate lowering going.. But I need the nitrate also to fuel plant growth in the cheato and scrubber.. Icontrol that once again with the valve.. But you have to understand how it works and how to control it.. Once you do that, it's easy with the right equipment.. But.. With pellets, you really need, and it will help tremendously to have the right equipment..

There are many ways to achieve the goal.. I also apologize for the long post. But natural is in the eye of the beholder.. Lol, there's really nothing truly natural about our systems.. We may want to think that, but we're have ocean life in an either glass, wood, or acrylic box.. All we can "try"to do is mimic and create something similar to their parameters.. I tend to have an open mind and try to think outside the box with this stuff, taking a multi pronged/hybrid approach, and it has worked well so far..

An example is now, my fuge is a 40 gallon stock tank.. I really hope to have that "literally"full of cheato, red Dragon, and purple grape algea.. This will do multiple things.. First, reduce nutrient to such a level to where gfo, is no longer needed at all, second, the red dragon and purple grape will be a nice treat for my tangs, third, the pod population in cheato is honestly insane, so my bug eaters will love me even more, fourth, the co2 levels will hopefully be low, and my ph will go up, which will counteract the calcium reactor low ph effluent, and lastly, it's a fun experiment(i love plants, and trying to accelerate growth) since I'm using high powered lights.. This is a bit off to your question, but at the same time it's not, because you spoke of control.. You have the control to do whatever you want and grow whatever you want..

But yes, recirculation is the way to go.. You control literally everything!

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Awesome thank you very much guys! I love the long posts and good explanations So don't worry about that LOL I think I will either purchase or retrofit a recirculating reactor. I like the bio pallets and they seem to be very efficient and I think if I can control the flow through the reactor that would help me dial it in
 
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