Helpful tips on Quarentining your new additions

nauti1us

ORCA President 2007~2008
Hi All,

Sorry, back on my soap box again... Please forgive me for being so insistant regarding this topic. Despite my comments at our last meeting on Saturday where I urged folks to quaretine their corals etc, you wouldn't believe how many emails and PM's I recieved from club members, enraged that after coming home from the meeting (auction) they discovered nuisnace algaes, aptasia etc. on their animals.

I am attaching a link to an excellent article written by Steven Pro. This article addresses why to set up a "Q" tank and how to do it.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-10/sp/feature/index.php



I just bought a 8" Squamosa Clam at a LFS. I left it at the store for the last two weeks while I have been preparing my "Q" tank. I can't risk putting any new additions to my 210 G mixed reef without making sure I've made every effort to keep from adding any new parasites etc.

Hopefully, later today I will be picking up this massive clam and setting it in my "Q" tank with good lighting, water movement etc...

Compared to setting up a smaller "Q" tank for a SPS frag or LPS frag, an animal this size is a little more of an underataking...

Wish me luck!

Matt
 
I'm cracking up... ask we speak... yes him's a clam... got it!
And it's unlikely Steven will be coming down from Pa. Although I wouldn't mind asking :)
 
Thanks for the morning entertainment you guys :) Cant wait to see the clam Matt!! Im excited the meeting is at your house. No hour drive for us!
 
Haha you guys are too funny. I think maybe we're all stealing a little bit of Matt's sanity the last few days ;p

Looking forward to meeting the new clam too - and you should have an email Matt after I finish my breakfast and coffee and also become coherent this morning :)
 
My 50 QT, currently housing 10 gallons of live sand from Ah64av8tor, and some formerly dry rock, and chaetomorpha. All of this will go into a 37 gallon refugium, part of a 125 sump, under my 390. All sand and rock going into the 390 are dry. Then I will begin the several year QT process for all that will go into the 390.
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Some tips from mr.wilson:
QT & HT is a matter of quality rather than quantity. You need enough room for tangs and those impulse buys, but less is more in most cases as water changes and medications go farther. You don't have to follow all of my suggestions, just use it as a guideline. Due to the scope of the post, I have excluded medication dosage and handling practices.

1) A lid to keep in jumpers (glass or egg-crate). Wrasse and gobies are far more likely to jump in a small empty tank. PVC hiding places will also help.

2) A heater. much more important than in display tank. Unlike freshwater, marine ich is cued by temperature increases, rather than decreases. A heater will make a consistent temp.

3) Indirect, diffused light. Try to keep a ten hour photo-period to reduce stress. Many antibiotics are photo-degradable, so direct light should be avoided. Sudden light flashes as experienced with fluorescents will cause fish to jump and go into shock.

4) An artificial bio-filter. This can be a bio-wheel or canister filter that is normally run on the display tank to keep it cycled. It is too small to adversely affect the display tank. Remember not to use carbon as it will remove medications. Alternatively, you could just store the filter media in the display tanks sump to keep the bacteria viable.

5) Have plastic cups to catch and move fish. Unlike freshwater fish, marine fish haven't adapted to breathing atmospheric air even for a brief period of time. Most secondary bacterial infections are caused by fish net abrasions.

6) An ultraviolet (UV) sterilizer. They cost a couple hundred dollars but they will pay themselves off after they save a few fish. The bulb will last a long time as it will only be used while you have fish in the QT. You could borrow a UV sterilizer from the display tank without causing too much trouble. UV sterilization should be discontinued if you are using antibiotics.

7) Have medications on hand so they are there when you need them. I use chloramphenical and neomycin together as a prophylactic treatment for bacterial infections. I use coppersafe or cupramine with quinacrine hydrochloride (quinine) for parasites. Malachite green, formalin, and nitrofurazone are also good to have around, but they adversely affect water quality and should be used only when needed. Rifampin or isoniazid should also be used prophylactically to prevent marine tuberculosis (mycobacterium) which is very common in new arrivals. Dewormers such as piperazine should be given in the food. None of these preventative treatments greatly affect water quality and will not cause significant mutation (resistant strains) of pathogens. Quarantine for 21 days minimum to break the parasite life cycle.

8) Keep a low salinity of 1.013 to 1.017. Stressed marine fish can dehydrate when placed in standard salinity water (1.023+). They don't have a healthy slime coat to regulate osmotic pressure and have to work a lot harder to pump salts out of their bodies. A lower salinity will also slow fish metabolism and kill parasites. Ammonia is also less toxic at a lower salinity as well. Fish adapt well to being moved to water with a lower salinity. They adapt poorly to moves to higher salinity.

9) Keep mixed saltwater on hand. Use display tank water for QT tank water changes. Add new saltwater to display. This will remove nitrogen compounds from QT and supply fresh pro-biotics (micro-organisms that will out-compete with pathogens). Following this practice assures that the quarantined fish will be acclimated to display tank water at all times. Remember to top-off meds and adjust salinity. One week before moving the QT fish to the display tank, you can start adding more display tank water to slowly raise the salinity to avoid osmotic shock.

10) Use large pvc pipe segments for hiding places. Paint back and side walls to provide additional shelter.

11) If a disease breaks out, sterilize the tank with bleach before re-use.

12) have a bucket of aerated freshwater of equal temperature handy for freshwater dips. Don't use RO/DI water for freshwater dips. Tap-water has a closer PH and general hardness. The chlorine is also medicinal as an oxidant.

13) Make sure your medications are compatible. Formalin and nitrofurazone don't mix for example. EM (erythromycin) doesn't mix with calcium salts, and EM and nitrofurazone don't mix well either.

14) Medications have a treatment and prophylactic dose. For example, copper should be 15 ppm for QT and 30 ppm for HT (hospital tank).

15) Use a bare bottom, so you can wipe the inside surfaces daily (in HT). This will dislodge and kill parasites in the tomont, trophont, and dinospore stages of their life cycle. A diatom filter will remove these 25-50 micron parasites. You also want to avoid calcareous media as it binds copper.

16) Medicating the food will help treat the fish for internal bacterial, parasite, and fungal infections without adversely affecting water quality. Short freshwater dips and medicated saltwater baths will also help.

17) A flashlight is a very effective tool while evaluating fish health. It casts a shadow if cysts are present. This gives you a good head start for treatment.

18) A sharp, new, single edged razor blade can be used to trim away lymphocystis on the margins of fins.

19) Use a dedicated net for the QT and HT. You can use potassium permanganate or methylene blue as a net disinfectant. Segregate any thermometers, towels, feeding devices, and wash your hands to avoid spreading pathogens to the display tank.

20) A good camera will help you take pictures to submit for help in diagnosis and treatment.

21) Have a smaller, second HT tank for very sick fish. This helps eliminate fish to fish disease transmission as the healthy fish pick on the sick ones.
 
Some just don't have the space for a QT, and would like to know about most obvious pests before buying. Personally, I would never sell anything to anyone with any pests on it because its irresponsible, and not courteous at all.

People shouldn't be forced to have QT tanks because a couple of irresponsible members can't withold selling frags till their frags are free of parasites.

My $.02
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9855978#post9855978 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
People shouldn't be forced to have QT tanks because a couple of irresponsible members can't withold selling frags till their frags are free of parasites.

My $.02

wow... expect to hear some sharp critisism...

everyone has pests and parasites. I'm sure you do but just don't know what they are... LFS have parasites. Go in and ask any LFS if they can give you a 100% guarentee that any coral or fish you buy from them is free of pests and parasites and see what they say... you're in for a big surprise in this hobby if you follow that line of reasoning.

good luck...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9855978#post9855978 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
Some just don't have the space for a QT, and would like to know about most obvious pests before buying

When you go to a lfs, you can inspect the corals that you buy for obvious pests, like aptasia, hair algae, bubble algae, etc. If you do not have a quarantine tank, you run the risk of bringing other pests into the tank.

In a situation such as the frag auction, people can not really inspect the frags as well as if they were in a lfs. This is why I believe that people should be warned about OBVIOUS pests before sale, or that frags with obvious pests should not be allowed at the auction.

Time to get off your high horse, and realize that other people have different opinions than yours. People are obviously unhappy about the way things were ran at the auction, and it should be your responsibility to see that things are ran differently next time to make those people happy.

You can't just come on here and belittle those that were unhappy about it, and tell them that they have to go out and setup a quarantine tank.
 
DUDE! I think you are being a little harsh.
True, you can go into a fish store and inspect it, but it doesn't mean there are no pests. A good fish store would also tell you the same thing, and would recommend a quarrantine or dip. It doesn't mean you have to have a separate tank, it could be a bucket. There is no way to be certain even if you inspect the corals or frags for bugs or algaes.
From what I have read, this was meant to be informational. Nobody was telling you what to do. Fellow hobbyists that have had experiences with these pests know what it is like to have a tank infected and it sounds like they are only trying to help other hobbyists have a healthy tank.
 
I understand the purpose behind the quarantine tank, and the obvious benefits of having one. However, if you had been following what happened, you would know that he is bringing up this information as a response to some complaints about the last frag auction. Several people brought home frags that were not up to standard as to what should be sold (ie they had bubble algae, aptasia, etc).

Now, instead of directly addressing the issue of the frags that weren't up to standard at the club function, he instead shifted it to a "why you should have a quarantine tank" lecture. Some people take the risk of not having a quarantine tank, and that is their own choice. However, they should be able to feel safe when buying frags from a frag auction that they won't have obvious and visible pests. That is the problem that needs to be addressed, with the benefits of the QT tank also included as a nice precaution for those worried about other pests.
 
I'm sorry but I don't buy the excuse of not having space for a QT. Get your self a bucket (salt buckets work great), a small power head, a small heater and a cheap clip-on light from Home Depot and you're set for quarantine tank for any coral you are likely to buy at an auction. Do water changes every couple of days and you'll be just fine.

If you don't want to take the time then don't come here complaining that the coral you bought from an ORCA auction had a pest. Don't try to blame the hard working board members of the club because you couldn't be bothered to take responsibility for what is going into your tank.

Jon
 
How about a form of complaint system for people that were unhappy with their frags? Anyone that is selling frags at the auction, and gets more than x complaints, should be not allowed to sell at the auction. That way there is a form of quality control, and people would make sure to inspect their stuff before sale.

Just an idea for a direct solution to the problem.
 
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