Herbie plumbing question

Joel_155

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So I'm in the process of installing a new sump ( planning stages ) and due to some clearance issues and filter sock location I need to run my drains to one side of the sump. My current herbie setup runs straight down.

Does anyone have an herbie setup with a 1 foot horizontal run in their plumbing? At first I was planning on using a bunch of 45s to make this work ( and I still may do that ) but if I can use 90s that would make things easier. I just don't want to run into issues with the siphon starting. Thanks for the help.
 
My setuo sounds similar to what you are running into. Mine has a two foot horizontal section and I have no problems with the siphon starting. It did make things a little difficult to balance the two overflows at first but since then it has been fine.
 
I think the general consensus is that horizontal runs are best avoided. If you must have one, make it as short as possible and have it angled slightly downwards (thus not technically horizontal) so that it cannot trap water.
 
Put a union at the top and one above the valve. Then just use 2 45's and a straight piece of pipe. Eliminate the crazy bends unless there is something that is physically in your way. With two unions you can adjust the position unless you're fine with just one.
 
Put a union at the top and one above the valve. Then just use 2 45's and a straight piece of pipe. Eliminate the crazy bends unless there is something that is physically in your way. With two unions you can adjust the position unless you're fine with just one.

That makes sense. However right now I have my siphon line on a 3/4 inch bulkhead and my dry emergency on a 1 inch bulkhead. To do as you're suggesting I would have to ru. The 3/4 as the dry emergency. I can do that but I thought it would be best on the larger diameter bulkhead.


Does anyone run a dry emergency on a 3/4 inch bulkhead? My tank is a 60g cube.

Thanks in advance for the help.
 
That makes sense. However right now I have my siphon line on a 3/4 inch bulkhead and my dry emergency on a 1 inch bulkhead. To do as you're suggesting I would have to ru. The 3/4 as the dry emergency. I can do that but I thought it would be best on the larger diameter bulkhead.


Does anyone run a dry emergency on a 3/4 inch bulkhead? My tank is a 60g cube.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Not a good idea. You always want the dry emergency (never runs water except when the siphon clogs) to have the greater capacity of the two. As far as you issue, I have yet to run across a situation where 90s/horizontal runs are the only option. Some of the time, is the "operator" is more interested in "clean appearance,' rather than solid function. Not always the case, just sayin. In rare cases, I have resorted to spa-flex, to repair drain issues.

Most of these problems are avoided by thorough planning before hand, rather than blindly taking advice on individual pieces, then implementing that piece, without looking at how that piece will affect everything else. Especially when it comes to sumps, and where to put the plumbing in the tank. For instance if you have a corner overflow, the drain section goes under the overflow. If you have dual overflows, well you are kinda stuck...just one reason not to purchase rr tanks...but the drain line can be 45°'d to the other end, just might not be as pretty.

I really don't see unions as the solution either, just two more places that will eventually leak...Unions are way abused in this hobby.

You don't need 45° down, though it is preferred. less than 22.5° is cutting a bit close, but still headed down. Trying to get "off angles" (other than 90 and 45) causes stress in the joins and pipes, and really is not a good idea, unless you can source a 22.5° fitting, which is available.
 
Hi all,
So finally found time to get the new sump installed and I wanted to post pics to see what everyone thought. It took me forever to get this done but time is in short supply when planning a wedding. On to the pics.


The sump itself


Water test and plumbing manifold



Installed with plumbing shown


The large fuge
 
The drains were a bit of a challenge to configure as I run an herein drain system and getting the lines over to where the filter sock is was a challenge with the skimmer installed. I made it work but wanted to get feedback from the reefing community. Thanks in advance for the help!

BTW... The siphon starts.. . With a little bit of assistance
 
The drains were a bit of a challenge to configure as I run an herein drain system and getting the lines over to where the filter sock is was a challenge with the skimmer installed. I made it work but wanted to get feedback from the reefing community. Thanks in advance for the help!

BTW... The siphon starts.. . With a little bit of assistance

How is the siphon line configured? The last thing you need is to have a siphon in need of a bit of assistance starting, when you aren't around....
 
It's the line with the black spa flex. I got it started by blocking the dry emergency for 15 seconds. I'm going to test it tomorrow morning and see if it starts on its own.
 
Here's a better pic of the drain lines.



The line on the right with the black spa flex is the siphon channel and its plumbed to a 3/4 inch bulkhead. The line on the left is the dry emergency which is connected to a 1 inch bulkhead.
 
It's the line with the black spa flex. I got it started by blocking the dry emergency for 15 seconds. I'm going to test it tomorrow morning and see if it starts on its own.

Yeah, I can see how that is not going to want to start up too well, and needs more head pressure to get it going. You may want to try replacing a good protion of the hard pipe with a "more straight" shot of spa flex from the back of the tank into the sump, eliminating the second 45° and the 90°. Put the valve up by the union (I would ditch the union as well once this thing gets to working right,) attached to the hard pipe. Make sure the outlet is not more than 1" below the water level in the sump as well.
 
But then I run into clearance issues with the skimmer. That's the one issue. Right now it barely fits as it is. I could downsize but that's a Purchase not on the books right now.
 
Could I lower the siphon line stand pipe a little? I know this will increase the crash sound but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
 
Could I lower the siphon line stand pipe a little? I know this will increase the crash sound but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Depends, really. It may work with the siphon lowered, but then not work due to the rest down the road a ways. That is a common occurance. I would hate to see you get another skimmer anyway, but me thinks your sump is too small...

You could rasie the dry emergency as well, and acheive the same effect...could be as simple as that, as you figured, there not being enough height difference between the siphon and dry emergency. Herbie's modification was not very clear on much of this. All things being right, you only need a couple inches to get it going.
 
I have about two inches between the dry emergency and the siphon line. To start it I have to slightly block the dry emergency almost to where the water level in the overflow matches the main tank. I'll try and raise that stand pipe a 1/2 inch and see what happens.
 
How much did the water level in the overflow rise, when you closed off the dry emergency to start the siphon? That is how much height difference you will need for the system as it is.

How about the depth in the sump? Less than 1" to the outlet, under the water level.
 
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