HLLE: Public aquariums and many maintenance companies (excluding guys in this forum)

[firereef]

Golfish:
I didn't choose to assume anything, I asked a question to clarify
an apparent misinterpretation. Hopefully that's ok with you.

FR: thanks for the clarification, I guess it was the "Lol" that
threw me off.

Your welcome GS. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.

 

[GinaSofia]

Thank you FR..I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I should
have known that is not something in your character.
Happy Reefing.

 

[GTR]

I'd just like to know why the OP thinks he's more competent to keep fish than most public aquariums. Hopefully that was just another statement made without thinking about the consequences.

 

[savethereef]

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[Fuegan]

my guess his reference is to the monthly cleaning, servicing, rather than the day to day habits, such as feeding.

Day to day feeding is not the responsibility of the maint company.

I have clients and I advise on diet and I get ignored. I buy the food they still dont bother doing it right...

Hell, I advise once a month is bare minimum maintenance and I get a call two and a half months later "I cant see into my aquarium can you come by" after being put off when I try to schedule the monthly appointment and then call to remind after six weeks.

They ask me, "why do my fish keep dying" and the answer every time is the owner does not live up to his reponsibilities as an aquarium owner.

 

[saltyESQ]

1.

salty,
It seems to me he gave you a well thought out answer. Actually much better than most would have given considering you told him, "they have no idea what they are doing yada yada yada." To sum up what he said: He has a vast knowledge of keeping and maintaining livestock (25 years), studied under marine biologists, vets, and oceanographers.
Most would have replied with 2 words and I know yoiu know what two.
Rather than bashing him, why don't you share your experience with him and maybe he can try it out. JMHO!

I must give him credit for not just saying#@$#@ you, but I also believe he is interested in getting my business (when I eventually set-up a tank up in my office).
I will write him a response and wait for a reply (both will be posted).

2.

Care to be more specific regarding your accusations about public aquariums?
SteveU

I'd just like to know why the OP thinks he's more competent to keep fish than most public aquariums. Hopefully that was just another statement made without thinking about the consequences.

There are a lot of problems with public aquariums. Last time at AQ of the Pacific there is a 600 plus gallon dedicated to humu triggers and lionfish. I can only think of 2 scenarios why they would mix these 2 fish together:
A) it is a study on how fast the triggers can kill the lionfish. The triggers were small and you could already clearly see damage to all the lionfish’s fins.
B) They have no clue that these fish can’t be mixed together (which seems odd since these are marine biologists)
Last time at the aquarium I asked what they feed their tangs/fish. I saw and was told the food is all mixed into what appeared to be a yellow tube (it almost looked like fiberglass). Given my and just about everyone in this forums success at preventing and healing hlle and their (the aquariums) failure (just about every tang I saw in their tanks was suffering from HLLE) I think the public aquarium has a lot to learn!

If Milton gonzales is one of the best aquarium technicians in the business, that must mean his cleaning abilities. Lol. Isn't the barber shop part responsible for making sure these fish eat properly? Or maybe the maintenance business isn't supplying the right food selection? Hmmm

The salon owners know nothing about fish! The owners of the salon simply follow the directions of the maintenance company and feed the food they are given.

3.

Wow Salty, you can really tell you're a lawyer. You just jump at the chance to argue with anyone. First it was the craigslist guy over his lighting and now this....

The craiglist guy! that has to be almost 2 years ago? The guy was selling cheap metal lights with 100w bulbs in them and calling them expensive metal halides.

 

[firereef]

The salon owners know nothing about fish! The owners of the salon simply follow the directions of the maintenance company and feed the food they are given.

Uuuhm... I know this sir. Maintenance guys cant be there everyday so, therefore they should teach the salon how to properly feed these fish for the time being. For all we know, they probably skip feeding days or dont care.

 

[saltyESQ]

Uuuhm... I know this sir. Maintenance guys cant be there everyday so, therefore they should teach the salon how to properly feed these fish for the time being. For all we know, they probably skip feeding days or dont care.

The guys at the salon said they are suppose to feed frozen food (given to them by the maintenance co.) I don't recall everyday or other day. These guys seem like they are on top of the instructions. I would assume part of the problem is the tangs are fed nori.

 

[Zegg]

what kind of frozen food? is it made by his company? was correct food provided for the species of fish he has in his tank?

 

[Zegg]

frozen food can mean anything, was it a variety of different frozen foods?

 

[saltyESQ]

what kind of frozen food???? is it made by his company? what frozen food is provided?

since the maintenance company owns Feeder Fish and Feeder Feast tropical fish food brands, I don't think I am going out on a ledge to guess that their own food is used.

 

[firereef]

edited

True, Im not fully blaming anyone here. Reality is....

This can be the maintenance or salons fault, Or nobodys fault. Until we find out what the cause is, we cant blame neither parties. All this is based off is assumptions.

From what I Read online, lateral line can be caused by improper diets and thats why I assumed it was both parties when it came to feeding but hey I could be wrong.

 

[firereef]

The guys at the salon said they are suppose to feed frozen food (given to them by the maintenance co.) I don't recall everyday or other day. These guys seem like they are on top of the instructions. I would assume part of the problem is the tangs are fed nori.

Yea, but we cant expect salon employees to feed and care for fish like us hobbyist. For all they know... As long as the fishes eat then they're happy.

 

[Zegg]

True, Im not fully blaming anyone here. Reality is....

This can be the maintenance or salons fault, Or nobodys fault. Until we find out what the cause is, we cant blame neither parties. All this is based off is assumptions.

From what Read online, lateral line can be caused by improper diets and thats why I assumed it was both parties when it came to feeding but hey I could be wrong.

lol I changed it Tanu, mentioned somethign about the company can prived all the proper food, but its up the the owner/user to do it... saw that it was posted already that they "seem" to be following instructions. so edited.

Ive seen many times where the service company provides a good selection of frozen foods but the client would go out and get flake food somewhere and feed that 99% of the time even if the company said not to feed it at all.

 

[xtm]

There are a lot of problems with public aquariums. Last time at AQ of the Pacific there is a 600 plus gallon dedicated to humu triggers and lionfish. I can only think of 2 scenarios why they would mix these 2 fish together:
A) it is a study on how fast the triggers can kill the lionfish. The triggers were small and you could already clearly see damage to all the lionfish’s fins.
B) They have no clue that these fish can’t be mixed together (which seems odd since these are marine biologists)

Don't judge too quick, I'm sure they know what they're doing. There's probably another very good reason for this... they could be researching how to control the Lionfish proliferation in Florida (Atlantic) by means of introducing certain kind of Triggerfishes. Just my guess

 

[saltyESQ]

Don't judge too quick, I'm sure they know what they're doing. There's probably another very good reason for this... they could be researching how to control the Lionfish proliferation in Florida (Atlantic) by means of introducing certain kind of Triggerfishes. Just my guess

I doubt that given they also have several sea horse tanks with stinging corals in them.

 

[saltyESQ]

lol I changed it Tanu, mentioned somethign about the company can prived all the proper food, but its up the the owner/user to do it... saw that it was posted already that they "seem" to be following instructions. so edited.

Ive seen many times where the service company provides a good selection of frozen foods but the client would go out and get flake food somewhere and feed that 99% of the time even if the company said not to feed it at all.

Given the guy says he follows all the directions from the maintenance company AND the tank is too small, there is no LR (looks like lava or decorative rock), no LS (looks like small pebbles) and the tang is not given any NORI (only fed this frozen food)in addition to hippo tangs susceptibility to hlle. I would blame the maintenance company and not the owners of the business.

 

[sanababit]

wow you guys are looking for someone to blame, while the fish are still suffering, lol

sana

 

[GTR]

I doubt that given they also have several sea horse tanks with stinging corals in them.

If I had to guess I'd say those seahorses are better cared for then most that end up in a hobbyist tank even with those hazards present.

SteveU

 

[laverda]

Perhaps you could take them seaweed and Selicon and politly show them how to feed them.