How do fish get ich after quarantine ?

drew930

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I am upgrading from a 40 to a 180 and was going to leave my 40 up to quarantine my fish . I was thinking about something. If I QT my tangs and they are ich free, and I acclimate them right , a feed them right , and have clean water , how else can they get ich ?

Can they get it from you moving around rock and stressing them ?

Can they get it if another fish tries fighting and stresses them out ?
 
I am upgrading from a 40 to a 180 and was going to leave my 40 up to quarantine my fish . I was thinking about something. If I QT my tangs and they are ich free, and I acclimate them right , a feed them right , and have clean water , how else can they get ich ?

Can they get it from you moving around rock and stressing them ?

Can they get it if another fish tries fighting and stresses them out ?

They can get it from a coral/invert that wasn't QT'd. For example, an Ich "hitchhiker" can be on a snail/hermit crab shell, or in the water absorbed by a coral/anemone.
 
Okay . How long are you supposed to QT your coral and inverts ?

You aren't gonna like the answer but here goes:

Same as with fish, 9 weeks. I recommend QT'ing corals/inverts in a fishless environment. If you have a fish in there and he gets Ich, then your 9 weeks starts from the day you remove him from the tank. Just prolongs things.
 
Not the answer I was looking for haha but , if that's what you recommend , that's what I'll do !

This is what I did: I setup a 20 gal w/some dry sand, dry rock (didn't use LR/sand only to save money). Added a heater, AquaClear 50 power filter to run carbon and a cheap Maxi-Jet Pro for circulation. Picked up a used 4 bulb T-5 fixture (w/bulbs) on ebay for around $100. Cycled it w/ a raw shrimp, and BAM! I've got me another reef that I can also use as an invert/coral QT. I don't keep any fish in it, I just throw in some flake every other day to keep the bacteria going. I might get a protein skimmer for it down the road and maybe even a small media reactor to run GFO, but so far so good.
 
Thats nuts, brilliant, but nuts. So you gotta have two reef tanks? Crazy!! So the days of going to lfs and getting an nice coral are out huh? In order to have a salt tank, you now need 3 tanks. Is that how critical this hobby has become?? I do not remember the QT craze 3 years ago. Reality, I get it! But I just wont set up a coral QT also, I simply cant afford it. How am I going to house and nice millipora colony for 9 weeks in a QT tank.....really! I can work with the fish QT, no probelm, but another tank for sps QT is almost impossible. I can QT for a week maybe, to check for parasites, but thats it.

Really frustrated thinking about this??
 
I've gone through enough money, time and heartache over disease problems though the years that I QT everything that goes into the tank, be it fish, coral or rock, for 90 days.

Sure, setting up a second QT tank for corals may cost a couple hundred dollars or so...but what's that really, compared to losing all your SPS to a few nudibranch eggs you didn't notice? Any other parasite, for that matter...the cost of treating one outbreak in the display, from medication to time and energy and the inevitable livestock losses is almost certain to far exceed the cost of that QT setup.

Eventually, if they stay in the hobby long enough, I think most hobbyists reach that same conclusion. It's worth the cost and then some.

As to costs, it really does not have to be set up with the equipment of a full reef. Corals will generally greatly benefit from a period of reduced illumination when you get them, so you don't need to spend a ton of money on lighting a QT tank (choosing a shallow QT tank will help greatly with this as well). A simple powerhead, heater and a seeded sponge filter will do the rest. I don't use sand or live rock in my QT tanks (although I do put some sand in a tupperware tub for burying wrasses or pistol shrimp).
 
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I've gone through enough money, time and heartache over disease problems though the years that I QT everything that goes into the tank, be it fish, coral or rock, for 90 days.

Sure, setting up a second QT tank for corals may cost a couple hundred dollars or so...but what's that really, compared to losing all your SPS to a few nudibranch eggs you didn't notice? Any other parasite, for that matter...the cost of treating one outbreak in the display, from medication to time and energy and the inevitable livestock losses is almost certain to far exceed the cost of that QT setup.

Eventually, if they stay in the hobby long enough, I think most hobbyists reach that same conclusion. It's worth the cost and then some.

As to costs, it really does not have to be set up with the equipment of a full reef. Corals will generally greatly benefit from a period of reduced illumination when you get them, so you don't need to spend a ton of money on lighting a QT tank (choosing a shallow QT tank will help greatly with this as well). A simple powerhead, heater and a seeded sponge filter will do the rest. I don't use sand or live rock in my QT tanks (although I do put some sand in a tupperware tub for burying wrasses or pistol shrimp).

Excellent advice. Not using a QT is (IMO) undoubtedly the #1 reason for the high turnover in our hobby----and all the cheap equipment on Craig's list.
 
Excellent advice from AquaticFins. Those people who got burned know the importance of QTing everything. Those who haven't gotten burned without QT will some day. It's just a matter of time and Murphy's law always dominates at the end of the day.

Setting up a QT costs 20% of one of the powerheads I use, and 1% of the total cost of the whole system. I don't understand the reluctance of using a QT. people have no problem dumping in $2,000 into new lights, powerheads, skimmer, etc., but refuse to spend $60 on a QT setup. I just don't understand it...
 
Excellent advice from AquaticFins. Those people who got burned know the importance of QTing everything. Those who haven't gotten burned without QT will some day. It's just a matter of time and Murphy's law always dominates at the end of the day.

Setting up a QT costs 20% of one of the powerheads I use, and 1% of the total cost of the whole system. I don't understand the reluctance of using a QT. people have no problem dumping in $2,000 into new lights, powerheads, skimmer, etc., but refuse to spend $60 on a QT setup. I just don't understand it...

$60 on a QT sounds great!! Where can I get one?? Because I need to QT my SPS corals for 4-9 weeks and I have not found a QT set up for SPS corals for that length of time that cost $60? The lighting alone is more than that right?? I do have a small set up with PC that might do it, I just dont know about the SPS corals survivability with 36watt PC lighting. A month maybe at the very top.
 
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$60 on a QT sounds great!! Where can I get one?? Because I need to QT my SPS corals for 4-9 weeks and I have not found a QT set up for SPS corals for that length of time that cost $60? The lighting alone is more than that right?? I do have a small set up with PC that might do it, I just dont know about the SPS corals survivability with 36watt PC lighting. A month maybe at the very top.

A full 29g QT set up can be purchased on cragslist for less than $50, at least that's how much i paid for mine and there are hundreds of those for-sale posts on craigslist every month.

Regarding the SPS, yes you will need the right light for QT, but a used 2x39W T5HO fixture can be purchased for around $50-$60 too. just place the SPS corals on a stand inside the QT so they get enough light.

Sorry but if you want to keep SPS, that's $$$, including the QT setup.
 
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