How Many Reefers quarantine their Fish?

I guess there are various schools of thought:

1. The highly experienced (20+ years of experience or more) who feel they can select fish based on appearance and more importantly behavior who don't quarantine and seem to be successful

2. The less experienced who have gotten burned and now quarantine

3. The new to the hobby who have so far dodged a bullet and think that diet and water conditions will solve any problem.

Although I fall into category one above in terms of many years of experience, I tend to order my fish online and hence do not have the luxury of observing behavior and appearance. My recommendation is to quarantine as follows:

Q: Should I quarantine all fish?

A: Yes. Four weeks is a good window for observation of disease and parasites. All newly acquired fish will benefit from 4 weeks of time by themselves in the quarantine tank to recover from shipping/handling stress and to acclimate to your feeding regime.

Q: What about corals, inverts, algae, and live rock?

A: Set up a separate QT for them. That tank must never see copper or any medications that may be harmful to corals and inverts. It doesn't need to be large, doesn't necessarily need a skimmer, but will need adequate light and water movement. 4 weeks of observation should help spot any unwanted hitch hikers and pests and to provide a fallow period for cryptocaryon irritans and oodinium. Most people are not adding live rock after a while, but many people with reef tanks do add corals. To be 100% safe, do quarantine anything added to your tank.


Q. How big of a Quarantine Tank (QT) do I need?
A. Ideally large enough to permanently meet the needs of the largest fish you can expect to acquire. Realistically, as close to that size as you have room for. For corals, etc, much less.

Q: What filtration do I need for my QT?

A: The more the better. A skimmer is beneficial for oxygenating the water and in some cases can be run with medication in the water. A HOB filter adds more surface for bacteria to colonize as well as a place to run filter pads and carbon. A ball of chaetomorpha is a good idea provided there is light available. There's no substitute for live rock but keep in mind that copper as well as other medications will contaminate the rock permanently (never use it with inverts); I prefer to have live rock in my quarantine tank but obviously cannot do so for a hospital tank. Bottom line; use water changes to maintain water quality regardless of the filtration methods in place. I believe that a quarantine tank and hospital tank for treatment should be different tanks.

Q: How often should I change the water?
A: As often as necessary to maintain excellent water quality. Spend $5 and get an ammonia alert indicator so you're not caught off guard by an ammonia spike.


Q: How many fish can I keep in my QT?
A: There is no magic number but I prefer one fish by itself unless the fish come as a group such as a shoal of Apogon parvulus. Do your homework to understand which fish are compatible with each other, make sure there are enough hiding spaces for all fish to shelter in, and don't overload your filtration. Stress from fish interaction is highly undesirable during a quarantine period.


Q: How long should the quarantine process last?
A: Four weeks for observation is ample as it exceeds the life cycle of most parasites. If treatment beyond that is required it will depend on the treatment; usually 2-8 weeks. Technically speaking a QT would strictly be used for observation and rest period whereas a "Hospital Tank" would be used for treatment. As such the QT would more closely resemble an established tank, while the hospital tank would be very sterile with no surface that a parasite can attach to.

Q: Should I proceed with any treatments even if I don't see signs of disease?
A: Prophylactic treatment is a personal decision; I treat only if I see a problem. The primary reason for this is that hypo or copper is effective for ich but is not effective for other parasites such as oodinium. (I usually treat with Praziquantel (Prazipro) regardless of whether or not I see signs of parasites)

Q: How soon should I begin treatment?

A: Have the fish eating before starting treatment if possible. If there are signs of disease or parasites you may need to start treatment right away. Otherwise I wait until disease evidences itself before treating.

Q: How far in advance should I have the QT cycled an ready?
A: I keep an established QT constantly available. If a hospital tank has to be set up on short notice to treat a sick fish, use water from an established display tank.

Q: What equipment do I need to setup a QT?
A:

* Tank
* Heater
* Powerhead(s)
* Thermometer
* Ammonia Alert Indicator and/or Nitrate & Nitrite test kits
* PVC pipe segments or other hiding places for fish
* Live Rock (QT only not hospital)
* Light (optional for fish-only)
* Skimmer (optional)
* HOB Filter (optional)

Q: What are some medications I should have on hand?
A:

* Copper or Chloroquine - for ich and other external parasites
* Praziquantel - for flukes and worms
* Metronidazole - for intestinal and other protozoa
* Formalin - for brook and other external parasites
* Erythromycin and Minocycline - for bacterial prevention/treatment
* Food enhancers such as Selcon, Vitality, and Eco Garlic
 
I do not QT.

I do not buy fish on the fly, or online. I will only buy fish from my LFS, and will not buy unless I've seen it eat, and then know my LFS will hold for me for a couple weeks. I've had stores tell me they can't do that, so they don't get my business.

My opinion, if I'm buying a tang, only to put him in a 20 gallon QT tank, I'm doing more harm by moving him from the LFS to the QT tank to my DT. The stress, etc. My LFS is running copper in the holding tanks, so it's my QT, so to speak.

Others don't agree, and swear everything needs to be QT'd. The truth is, most don't do it correctly, and IMO anyway, a good QT tank would be at least 50 gallons, and another established tank. I spend enough money in this hobby as it is.

I've had three outbreaks of ick over my career, going on 20 years. Blue tang two different times, both fought off. Another fish, can't remember which, and I let it fight it off as well. Garlic, extra feeding, crushed ginger. (I realize it does not cure ich, but there are threads on this, it may boost immunity. Doesn't hurt, cheap, and why not?)

Also, catching your fish from your DT, to put into QT when it does have ich? Major stress on the fish.

I haven't had ich in years, and have kept many fish for long periods of time. I don't proclaim to be an expert, but I'll just end by saying count me as one who doesn't QT.
 
I do not QT.

I do not buy fish on the fly, or online. I will only buy fish from my LFS, and will not buy unless I've seen it eat, and then know my LFS will hold for me for a couple weeks.

Unfortunately, having an LFS hold a fish for a couple of weeks is not a good solution since it is highly likely that their fish system shares water among holding tanks AND it is also likely that they will get new fish in that time period. But each to their own.
 
Unfortunately, having an LFS hold a fish for a couple of weeks is not a good solution since it is highly likely that their fish system shares water among holding tanks AND it is also likely that they will get new fish in that time period. But each to their own.


This is very true in regards to new fish. I'm very picky when I buy a fish, and in my experience, if it's been healthy and eating for weeks, they're good to go.

Maybe I've just been lucky, and I'm not AGAINST QTing. If I had a 50 gallon tank that ran at all times along my 180, I would consider doing for smaller fish.

I know I'm not alone, I'm just not afraid to speak up about it! Those that QT with success, awesome!
 
@snorvich; simply awesome writeup and format. And I think it's complete too, which is nice...

And to everyone else on this thread, you, you've now got me convinced I should start doing this... hahahaha.... I feel the power of the darkside...
 
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@snorvich; simply awesome writeup and format. And I think it's complete too, which is nice...

thanks!

And to everyone else on this thread, you, you've now got me convinced I should start doing this... hahahaha.... I feel the power of the darkside...

ROTFLMAO. I live on the darkside!!
 
fyi for those reading...Cholorquine is said to be much easier on fish than copper. Do a search on RC and find the threads on it.
 
i dont qt any of my fish. i only buy from reputable places like liveaquaria where i know they qt all of their fishes.
 
i dont qt any of my fish. i only buy from reputable places like liveaquaria where i know they qt all of their fishes.

Liveaquaria recommends that you quarantine all fish purchased from them. Don't believe me, just ask them.
 
So you would quarantine a fish even if it was from DD?

Absolutely.

I should also add that ich is not the worst thing you can bring in on new fish, inverts, rock, etc. Velvet can quickly wipe a tank and I've seen fish develop it in quarantine after weeks of looking perfectly healthy and feeding heartily. It once wiped my 40 gallon reef years back before I quarantined after adding a fish that looked to be healthy. Velvet isn't the only thing to beware of either. There are other parasites and possible infections that won't show up until later, and for these reasons I quarantine everything for the good of the old and new fish.
 
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fyi for those reading...Cholorquine is said to be much easier on fish than copper. Do a search on RC and find the threads on it.

Cupramine is the best for Ich IMO. Much easier on the fish than any other copper medication. It is ionic, where other copper medications are non-ionic usually copper sulfate. Anything that states Cholorquine is better than copper is probably outdated IMO and Cupramine should be the new standard for treating ich, or hypo if done properly.

Also I think nitrofurazone should be added to Snorvich's list of meds for open wounds or sores.

I would also QT every fish from Diver's Den or any other WYSIWYG site. Even Aquatouch who claims to QT their fish. The fact that they take such good care of their specimens just means the QT process for those fish should go that much smoother. Why risk it?
 
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i dont qt any of my fish. i only buy from reputable places like liveaquaria where i know they qt all of their fishes.

They do not QT. The condition and get the fish healthy. Kevin ensures that his products are solid, but that is far from ensuring all his fish are disease free. Kevin himself would tell you to QT all fish bought from him.
 
Cupramine is the best for Ich IMO. Much easier on the fish than any other copper medication. It is ionic, where other copper medications are non-ionic usually copper sulfate. Anything that states Cholorquine is better than copper is probably outdated IMO and Cupramine should be the new standard for treating ich, or hypo if done properly.

These were recent threads with links to read :confused:
 
Steve, this is good to know. I always felt that the info on wetwebmedia was pretty good. I guess the info you get from Bob Fenner is pretty solid, but not so much from the other contributors?

Thanks.
 
Steve, this is good to know. I always felt that the info on wetwebmedia was pretty good. I guess the info you get from Bob Fenner is pretty solid, but not so much from the other contributors?

Thanks.

Bob Fenner is excellent. I too use that website as a resource, especially for fish suitability. I am not saying the other contributors are flakey, just not as reliable as Bob. I always listen to everyone and try to evaluate what they say based on my own experience. Taking anything as gospel is just not a great idea but ignoring it is not the best idea either.
 
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