How to catch a fish without removing 400 pounds of rock. (Anesthesia)

That product seems to be (?) based on clove oil which is widely used fish anesthetic, both in science and aquaculture.

Clove oil seems to be reasonable safe with invertebrates (I found data for corals and prawns) at moderate amounts and short exposure times.

Still, I wouldn't use it unless absolutely necessary ;)

More information:

Boyer et al. Effects of the fish anesthetic, clove oil (eugenol), on coral health and growth. Journal of Experimental Marine Biology and Ecology (2009) vol. 369 (1) pp. 53-57

Soltani et al. Acute Toxicity and Anesthetic Effects of Clove Oil in Penaeus semisulcatus under Various Water Quality Conditions. Aquaculture International (2004) vol. 12 (4) pp. 457-466

Seol et al. Clove oil as an anaesthetic for common octopus (Octopus minor, Sasaki). Aquaculture Research (2007) vol. 38 (1) pp. 45-49
 
Wow. I don't know about that operation. Personally, I would worry that a dose strong enough to sedate the largest fishes in a tank might be an overdose for the smallest fishes. I suppose dosing might be easier in an aquaculture setting, where all the fish in a tank could be approximately the same size, or at least the same species.
 
Hello tatu...

Eugenol (clove oil) has a fast induction time of less a minute and eugenol has effect against invertebrates and corals...
Invertebrates euthanasia could be with a dosage of 2ml/20liters of eugenol...
A normal dosage of eugenol for small fishes might be 1ml/20 liters.
Corals might be sure at 0,5 ppm but with 5 ppm corals would have undesirable effects.
I´m sure that product is not based on Eugenol (clove oil).
This is my research about Eugenol (clove oil)... I´m Alcoy.
http://translate.google.es/translat...thread.php?t=15112&sl=es&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8


In this case for catching the fishes in reef safe mode the dosage of this "secret" anesthesia was alredy 1 ml/100 liters...
snails, shrimps, and other invertebrates dont fall in anesthesia... (eugenol has anesthesia effect on crustaceans)
The induction time was already ten minutes, more or less (I have not the exact time).
 
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Jk5,

You are right, the product is 50% isoeugenol :) The other 50% is a solvent.

We are talking about AQUI-S, yes?
 
Thanks tatu for your answers.

I dont know it tatu.
The only anesthesia about I made a research was eugenol (clove oil).
I dont have knowledge about other anesthesia compounds.

I dont like the "secrets"...
And I try to guess it...


We have:

dosage 1ml/100liters
induction time already 10 minutes, more or less
No anesthesia effect against invertebrates
 
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I understand your pain(no pun meant). I had to catch a pearlscale BF in my tank last spring and ended up removing half the rockwork at night and partitioning the tank to catch him. It was a pain but I would be leary of adding drugs to the tank.
 
IMO than Eric...
I dont apologyse for the use of anesthesia drugs into the display tank...
This is a theorycal talk.

Tatu...
AquiS eliminated...
AquiS has effect on other inhabitants diferent of fishes...
http://www.aqui-s.com/
 
another idea is look where the fish sleep ,and turn on the lights of the tank later in the night . i do this one time, the fish dont see nothing for minutes ,and the other day the other fishes looks like nothing .sorry for my english .
 
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Jk5 said:
Tatu...
AquiS eliminated...
AquiS has effect on other inhabitants diferent of fishes...
Click to expand...
Oh, I should have read the thread more carefully, I thought it was known what product was used :)

Who is this person who has developed the anaesthetic?
 
tatuvaaj said:
Oh, I should have read the thread more carefully, I thought it was known what product was used :)

Who is this person who has developed the anaesthetic?
Click to expand...


we should search among the drugs available for a professional veterinary expert in aquaculture who is the person who has developed it ...
The assistance of veterinarians of the forum is required.
 
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Another clue like said Karlbob is that the drug must be good for largest and smallest fishes without meaning overdosing for smallest fishes.
 
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Any veterinary?
Etomidate might be the drug we are searching?
Does etomidate acomplish all the clues we said before?
 
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Jk5,

Why is this secret? Can't you just ask what the chemical is?

I'm sure most reef aquarists would be unwilling to add any "secret sauce" to anesthetize their fishes in a reef aquarium"¦

And besides, the active ingredients would have to be listed if it is to be sold commercially.
 
I assume if it is a new drug or receipe based on an old drug, it needs administrative and legal conditions for comercialitation (and a lot of money).
That is an impossible for a hobbyst...
It might not be comercializated at legal conditions...
I cant ask to the person who developed the product because he doesnt want to say the product...
I dont mind that...
I dont apologyse for the use of anesthesia drugs at the display...
But I love the knowlegdment... :love2:
 
The only fish anesthetic being used on fish that I am aware of is the old standard MS-222. Dosage rates are very species specific, as well as size specific. I would expect the same for any other anesthetic.
 
you are right billsreef, that anesthesia (Ms222-tricaine-Finquel) is size dependient...

One of the clues I am thinking about the group etomidate-metomidate is because this drug (hypnotic non barbituric) is non high dependient of size weight.

http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/dspace/bitstream/10113/16424/1/IND23330866.pdf


"The minimum concentration of metomidate producing desirable anesthetic properties was 6 ppm. At this concentration, acceptable induction and recovery times were observed in catfish ranging from 3 to 810 g average body weight.
 
Not to change the subject so drastically, but I have talked to several people who have used a small fish hook successfully. The last one I talked to a couple of weeks ago said he went to Dick's Sporting Goods and bought the smallest trout hook he could find. He said he found a barbless hook. I have also seen that others simply filed the barb off or bent it down with needle nosed pliers. He just got a bucket of tank water and started fishing with bits of shrimp. The problem was to keep the unwanted fish away from the hook long enough for the target fish to get to it. When he caught a fish he put it in the bucket until he caught the target fish. He said it didn't take quite 5 minutes before he was done. The next day all the fish were fine.

I remember sitting in front of a tank for hours with a net trying to catch a fish. Next time I'll give this a try.
 
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