Hows this for my refugium?

blennymower

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I have a refugium section in my sump. I added some rocks and still don't have any caulerpa in it. Should I add sand? I'm thinking that adding sand will just hold detritus and that If I keep it bare I can just vacuum the detritus out. So, just the rocks and macro algae as filtration. What do you think?
 
Caulerpa big no no. Once it goes sexual after the lights are out and releases its spores they go everywhere. It will slowly make its way into your DT sand and rock and you will never be able to get rid of it. It has single handedly taken over the Mediterranean just by one lab accidentally flushing it. It is banned in California and for good reason, as it should in any state that touches the ocean or has a river that empties to the ocean. Chaetomorpha is a much better choice.
 
+1 ScubaSteve on the Chaeto.

Let's see if we can figure out why your chaeto keeps dying...First, what kind of lighting are you using, how high, photoperiods etc...? Next, what is your current water chemistry? Last, what kind of flow do you have running through the sump?
 
I had one straggling piece of caulerpa in my fuge that came attached to some chaeto I got from somebody. It has now taken over half my fuge. If your chaeto keeps dying then you need to either have more flow so it tumbles or have the correct light over it. You also may not have enough nutrients/phosphates in the tank to keep it growing.
 
i would like to jump in on this also i just but a sumo on my 55 i only have rock also do i need sand ????

Nope. Not unless you think you don't have enough LS/LR in your DT. If you have enough room for a real Deep Sand Bed in there, that may be beneficial, but to answer your question, it's not necessary. If you did do a DSB, you'd want to be sure the flow and water levels were dialed in just right, and that it stayed in constant darkness. It's better to do a deep sand bed remotely, so you can take it off line and replace easily when it becomes supersaturated with Nutrients.

Having said that, it dosen't hurt to have sand in there either, as flow is sufficient to not trap too much detritus, or blow into your return pump.
 
Definitely agree on the chaeto. You can place a DSB in a tupperware container within the refugium so that it can be removed easily for maintenance.
 
+1 ScubaSteve on the Chaeto.

Let's see if we can figure out why your chaeto keeps dying...First, what kind of lighting are you using, how high, photoperiods etc...? Next, what is your current water chemistry? Last, what kind of flow do you have running through the sump?
I'm using a 25 watt fluorescent bulb on a 12 hour photoperiod. The flow in my sump is calm. I have a 75 gallon with a Mag 5 as the return.

Please excuse my ignorance, but can someone explain to me how the tumbling is essential? Does chaetomorpha grow in high turbulence waters where it is constantly tumbling?

I don't think it dies because of low nutrients. As every once in a while I have to clean the glass from algae.
 
I'm using a 25 watt fluorescent bulb on a 12 hour photoperiod. The flow in my sump is calm. I have a 75 gallon with a Mag 5 as the return.

Please excuse my ignorance, but can someone explain to me how the tumbling is essential? Does chaetomorpha grow in high turbulence waters where it is constantly tumbling?

I don't think it dies because of low nutrients. As every once in a while I have to clean the glass from algae.

I would look at your lighting first. I think it requires a fuller spectrum than a normal household florescent bulb will put out, at least thats been my experience.
 
I assume you are talking about a standard srew in type compact flourescent? If so, most folks are having good results with them in the 3500-6500K color range seem to work best for macro. What is yours?

Tumbling is great if you have the sump space layout and flow available to you, but you can get by with any method that keeps detritus from settling in the plant's structure. It can be simple as using an upstream filter sock, just make sure you're switching it out every 2 or 3 days. A couple signs that your flow may be too low would be oily/foamy surface water and/or massive pod populations in the chaeto itself. Don't get me wrong, pods are great, you want as many as you can get, but they do produce a fair amount of waste irritants. When that detritus gets thick, it can block the light from reaching the middle and especially bottom layers. This is one reason that tumbling is an advantage. If you're going to do chaeto, you may want to have another dark area specifically for pods, and free of predators, and prefferably with some rock rubble. Pods like dark places, and they like rock piles, so they will naturally gravitate to those areas if you have them.

I had the same issue with my first couple attempts with chaeto in my sump. The first thing I did was to improve the lighting. Next, I used some eggcrate to keep the cheato from sinking to the bottom and getting sucked into the drain. As a happy coincidence, what ended up happening is now any detritus falls through and collects on the bottom, where light is dim. I can either clean it out, or stock the area with detrivores. In effect, I created a sort of benthic/cyryptic zone for beneficial filterers and detrivores. The starter culture of cheato I got from my LFS came with some hitchhikers...about halfdozen bristleworms, and a bunch of pods. Most of them have now moved downstairs. I'm thinking of adding some sponge encrusted rubble to that area, as well as more piers of eggcrate for sponges and tunicates to attach themselves to. Hope this helps!

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