I Give Up....

JENnKerry

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OK, so I starved my Zebra Dwarf Lion for two whole weeks. I tried for the last few nights to feed him frozen prawn and krill and he just turned his nose up at it. I have tried everything you can think of and he is just really stubborn.

So I had to break down today and get him some ghost shrimp which he happily and greedily accepted

I guess some things aren't meant to be. But he is healthy and I guess that's all that really matters.
 
Don't give up... it's a process converting a wild-caught fish to accept subsitutions in a captive setting, particularly one so specialized in feeding on live food items. There are very specific ques that are required for a predatory fish to strike at something. The trick to getting predatory fish to feed on non-living items is to change the ques required for a feeding response. That can take some time.

I have a spotfin lionfish that at present, refuses everything except live grass/ghost shrimp. However, we have started the process of converting it to more easily handled food items such as frozen krill and mysids. The process usually goes something like this: the fish in question will only take live - so feed it live stuff, just not too much - keep it a little hungry. Then, take the live food item and put it on the end of a feeding stick - I use a piece of rigid airline tubing with a dulled pin attached to the end via a very small section of flexible airline tubing. It sounds complicated, but most people have the bits laying around and its quick to make. Next, feed the fish from the feeding stick all the time. This way the fish will eventually associate you and the stick with food. Next, kill the live food item prior to offering it. Once the fish is taking the dead-live food item, try a piece of krill or mysid on the feding stick. You may have to alternate between the live food item and the frozen for a while, but eventually the fish should take the latter. After it does, there will be no looking back!

Like I said - its a process and some fish make the shift quicker than others. Wish us both luck!

Hope this helps.

Lee
 
Did you try some fresh clams or oysters?

Here is a trick I learned with getting these types of fish to eat non-live foods. You will need to find 2 small clear acrylic rods and use them like chop sticks. With a little patience and dangling the clam or oyster meat in the water with the sticks I have found them to be quite responsive.

You might want to give it a try.
 
HHmm,,, that's interesting. I've never heard of them eating clams or oysters. Are we talking about frozen clams from the grocery store?
 
Never had the dwarf lions accept anything but live foods, ever. Also, every single one we have gotten in at the store does the same. They will starve before they accept frozen foods, from what I have seen. The Pterois group seems to be much more amenable to "dead" foods. Good luck.
 
<b>Amphiprion</b> That's too bad. Maybe you should give some of the methods mentioned a try. I'd say 80-90% of the dwarfs I aquire are feeding non-live foods before they are sold. Have one in the store right now thats already eating krill.

<b>JENnKerry</b> Fresh is best!
 
I have tried the methods you mentioned (and then some)--and they usually work on other fish, but never the dwarf lions that I have encountered. Maybe it depends upon the source of the fish that are acquired?
 
I think a lot depends on how they are first kept and their exposure to people. As soon as they come in I begin trying to ween them off live food. I feed them at least 3 times a day. Once they get over their timidness they become more receptive to your presence and will begin to accept other foods.
 
I am not sure. Other than the environment (which, unfortunately is an acrylic cubicle), they are exposed to others, including myself for the larger part of the day. They have a good deal of time to grow accustomed to human presence, but still don't seem to take to dead foods from what I have seen.
 
Mine are kept in cubicles as well. Each cube is maybe 10"x10". There is always some LR for them to hide behind. The entire cube system filtered by a large refugium ~ loads of pods mysis etc... in the system so its hardly sterile.

I forgot to mention that I start out feeding with live ghost shrimp and mostly black worms. I think the wiggling black worms help with the transition to the stringy oyster or clam meat.

Oyster meat works best as it twists and tumbles oddly in the current.
 
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