I Got ICH
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kiransreef
In Memoriam
Freed,
I understand there is controversy with EVERYTHING in this hobby. But, one thing there is NO CONTROVERSY is that "JOHN" is the man around the Tampa Bay area that knows "HIS STUFF"! You will get NOWHERE saying anything negative about him on this particular site as he is very knowledgeable and he is NOT like ANY OTHER LFS owner. There is a reason why he is called the "Fish Nazi" He always does what's best for the fish even when it means losing $ on a sale! He is a Great Person and so is his wife and crew at FAOIS here in Tampa Bay area.
I grew up in Indiana...and started my first Saltwater tank 20 years ago. At that time, there was really no such thing as Live Rock there as it had to be shipped from other places due to location. It seemed like then all LFS were all for doing copper and other chemicals to fix problems such as ick. But, since I have been here in FL I have found a whole other world in the Saltwater world! KR
I understand there is controversy with EVERYTHING in this hobby. But, one thing there is NO CONTROVERSY is that "JOHN" is the man around the Tampa Bay area that knows "HIS STUFF"! You will get NOWHERE saying anything negative about him on this particular site as he is very knowledgeable and he is NOT like ANY OTHER LFS owner. There is a reason why he is called the "Fish Nazi" He always does what's best for the fish even when it means losing $ on a sale! He is a Great Person and so is his wife and crew at FAOIS here in Tampa Bay area.
I grew up in Indiana...and started my first Saltwater tank 20 years ago. At that time, there was really no such thing as Live Rock there as it had to be shipped from other places due to location. It seemed like then all LFS were all for doing copper and other chemicals to fix problems such as ick. But, since I have been here in FL I have found a whole other world in the Saltwater world! KR
VCReefer26
New member
i wouldn't use copper, to treat the whole system......please look into that before you try it. I had a LFS tell me to do that a few years back.....one of the biggest mistakes i made. They forgot to ask simple questions....like do you have corals or inverts! plus it gets in your live rock...etc....for a QT tank i'm sure it would be okay...
kiransreef
In Memoriam
At first when I added the uvs I had it set for slow flow, and I did notice that there were less pods. But, then adjusted the flow to fast and I have lots of pods now. As with anything, it is trial and error.
The other thing about using copper that NO ONE tells you is that it gets into EVERYTHING even the glass. Then you can not ever use that tank for inverts in the future. When I got ick, I asked at the LFS near me, and of course they said put it right in your 90 gal. tank. LOL "THANK GOD" I didn't listen to them. Then I asked other LFS what they thought I should do? In the meanwhile I put the hippo in a 10 gal QT and had added copper to it. Well, it didn't seem to help at all and then I had a waste of money with a 10g tank, nice filter, crushed coral, few pieces of LR, all contaminated with copper. I wish I had found the last LFS that directed me to garlic guard in the first place and there would have been much less money loss and also less stress on the hippo as you don't have to net the fish and transfer to QT. KR
The other thing about using copper that NO ONE tells you is that it gets into EVERYTHING even the glass. Then you can not ever use that tank for inverts in the future. When I got ick, I asked at the LFS near me, and of course they said put it right in your 90 gal. tank. LOL "THANK GOD" I didn't listen to them. Then I asked other LFS what they thought I should do? In the meanwhile I put the hippo in a 10 gal QT and had added copper to it. Well, it didn't seem to help at all and then I had a waste of money with a 10g tank, nice filter, crushed coral, few pieces of LR, all contaminated with copper. I wish I had found the last LFS that directed me to garlic guard in the first place and there would have been much less money loss and also less stress on the hippo as you don't have to net the fish and transfer to QT. KR
Freed
It's what it's
Don't care how great of a person this guy tells you he is. He obviously doesn't know how to do hypo, didn't do it right whenever he did do it, or knows how inexpensive it is to do it and only wants to sell you expensive copper test kits, treatments etc. There are way too many documented and proven articles on hypo for ich treatment for a "LFS owner" to be telling people it doesn't work. Like I said earlier I don't care who he is or if I'm bashing him or not. He obviously doesn't know hypo or does and is trying to steer people away from it so he can sell you expensive copper related treatment supplies.
hey freed why dont you keep your negative comments about someone you dont know to yourself, if hypo is not done properly and to the t it doesnt work that great and usually only people that have much exp. with it are able to do it with great success. and if its not done correctly can have negative effects on your stock. but apparently whatever you say is right, but everyone on this LOCAL forum trusts john, i drive an over an hour to get to his store so keep your negative comments to yourself. he owns the most respected store up and running for ten years in the entire tampa bay area, do you? you dont get that from ripping people off or screwing them over maybe thats how you run a bussiness but not john.
Freed
It's what it's
Still don't care who John is. He obviously doesn't know anything about ich and hypo. If that is being negative then you guys need to learn how to read when someone is trying to offer you information about hypo and ich. "John" doesn't know anything about hypo and ich. Period. If you want to learn about hypo and ich then you need to drop your love for this guy and learn something. Reread my posts if you like. If I had a LFS owner telling me one thing and then went to a forum asking for advice and the info was overwhelmingly against what "John" said, who am I going to listen to? "John"? who is more than likely wrong or the hundreds of people in the forum that are trying to beat the correct info into your brain that you just refuse to open up to and learn from? Hmmmm, let me see.
boydx6
Premium Member
Freed, why don't you take a vacation to Sunny Tampa Florida and go to his store and ask him any fish/reef related question you want before you judge him. Since there is no scientific study out there that tell you there is only one way to treat for ick, everyone will have an opinion on what has worked for them. In this case your opinion is hypo. Maybe you have a good refractometer so you can measure the salinity more accurately. Most hobbyist use the cheap 6.00 ones that are not as accurate. John knows this because he knows his customers and recommends what the customer will have the best results with their level of experience and equipment. I feel sorry for you because you don't have a reputable LFS to shop at. We in Tampa are fortunate!
Chris never stated that John said Hypo does NOT work. Possibly you have had a bad experience with a LFS Owners advise and many people rightfully cringe when they hear ... Well my LFS said ... but this is not the case with the level of information John provides.
You seem to be picking a fight for no reason as you have not provided a single bit of evidence that Hypo is 'overwhelmingly' better to use than copper other than it has worked for you, that's great but why don't you provide some concrete information to back your claims instead of trying to bash other valid treatment options.
Here is a thread for you where John dips into the effects of copper. Maybe you can read up on this thread, educate yourself a bit on the topic and see why others trust John's advice.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1131708
You seem to be picking a fight for no reason as you have not provided a single bit of evidence that Hypo is 'overwhelmingly' better to use than copper other than it has worked for you, that's great but why don't you provide some concrete information to back your claims instead of trying to bash other valid treatment options.
Here is a thread for you where John dips into the effects of copper. Maybe you can read up on this thread, educate yourself a bit on the topic and see why others trust John's advice.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1131708
Freed
It's what it's
Evidently "John" is stating that treating ich with hypo does not work, right? Are we agreed on this? Have ANY of those wanting to learn about treating ich with hypo EVER read any proven and documented articles on the subject? It does not sound like you have and it also sounds like "John" never has either. I don't care if "John" has read you stories from the bible or from Popular mechanics. He is telling you it doesn't work so you are believing what he is saying. You are listening to misinformation and I am trying to tell you that ich and hypo are proven and work if done properly, am I not? Just because I said "John" doesn't know what he is talking about and is misinformed I have blashpemised someone. Oh goodness, Freed isn't saying what "John" has told us in the past. Therefore Freed doesn't know what he is talking about and is an outsider and is trespassing on our sacred forum ground. Wake up people and listen to someone who is knowledgeable on ich. There are three ways to erradicate ich and they are all proven and documented no matter what this "John" character claims. Hyposalinity, copper and tank transfer method.
Wow, have a bad day at work or something? Yet again you just rant with out ever providing a shred of information to back your 'Hypo is the end all treatement to ich parade'. I guess we should all just use Hypo because YOU said it works? Isn't that what you are saying we shouldn't be doing with John's advice?
kiransreef
In Memoriam
Hey Guys....it's OK Freed is a product of his geological area in which he resides! I once lived there and can tell you first hand that he probably doesn't have a clue as to what he is doing with his NOT so great saltwater tank. Not his fault that he is ignorant, just not a lot of great resources like FAOIS near him. To give you an example....he said hypo is the "CHEAPEST" solution....that just tells you that he DOES NOT have LIVE ROCK in his tank simply because it costs a lot to ship live rock that far.
My suggestion to him is: for him to go back to FWMAS or INDMAS as that is where he belongs....*notice the number of posts in those two reef club forums....enough said! KR
My suggestion to him is: for him to go back to FWMAS or INDMAS as that is where he belongs....*notice the number of posts in those two reef club forums....enough said! KR
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