I think I finally beat the dino's.

MayoBoy

Movin' on Up
I've had something wrong with my tank for the last couple of months. At first I thougt it was cyano. After trying all the usuals and not getting anyplace I tried Chemiclean. The first treatment of Chemiclean seemed to beat it but it was back a few days later. The second treatment didn't do anything. After more research I decided that it must be dinoflagellates.

I was cleaning the glass twice a day and siphoning the stuff off almost every day. Major water changes, vacuuming, but it was still coming back. I tried all the other recommended treatments:
dripping kalk to raise the pH, no lights, abbreviated lights, etc.

Here's what the tank looked like. I had cleaned the rocks and glass about 6 hours previous to taking the picture. (yes, the stuff grows that fast)

Dinos.jpg


I was getting completely demoralized and was seriously considering giving things up. The only things I lost were my xenias and a red mushroom but I had to blow the corals off twice a day becuase they were covered in brown bubbly snot. As a last step, I decided to bomb the tank with Maracyn. 1 tablet per 20 gallons. On Monday, I dropped in 4 tablets, turned off the lights and walked away.

On Wednesday evening, I turned the lights back on and the tank was clean!!!! I vacuumed everything up and did a 20 gallon water change. The skimmer was going nuts, and the sump was full of foam but all the stuff was gone!

I ran the actinics on a regular schedule but have only been running the MH for 3 or 4 hours a day. Today, it's still clean and I added another 30 lbs of live rock.

Here's the tank now - there's still some bubble algae but that will be easy to deal with after the brown snot.



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Finally, all the corals are opened up and extending. I haven't seen some of the zoas in weeks and it's seems like a month or more since the leathers were extended. I'm going to change another 20 or 30 gallons tomorrow and slowly lengthen the lighting schedule. The skimmer's still going nuts but I'm hoping tomorrow's water change and another change of carbon will take care of that.

I don't think that Maracyn is a recommended treatment but it sure worked for me. If you have a dino-snot problem, don't give up - it is beatable.
 
Interesting. I wasn't aware you had this stuff Steve. I've got some as well, but mine seems to be either stalled or receding. I haven't done anything specific so far outside of one day I tried no lights at all and blacked out the tank. I also started dripping some kalk to increase my pH. Otherwise, all seems to be ok with my corals and such. Just have little patches of the stuff around the tank that's just barely noticeable. I'll see how it goes. Congrats on what looks like a battle won. :cool:
 
"Amazing results. What led you to maracyn?"

I read someplace that someone had some success with it - can't remember where becuase it all started to run together. It was a last ditch effort.

"Is it also possible that you nuked your nitryfing bacteria population as well?"

Nope, that was the first thing I checked (and I'm still checking). Ammonia and nitrites always stayed at zero. The package says it won't harm the nitrifying bacteria and it seems there still is some truth in advertising.
 
does anyone have any info on the differences between cyano and dinoflagellates.. I'm fighting a battle on my sand bed and it's driving me nuts.. I vacuum it up and by the end of the day it's all back again. My cucumber looks likes it going to explode it eats so much of what ever I'm battling.. I've tried getting more flow in the area but it doesn't seem to work It's like a huge purple snotty carpet. I have noticed it seems to be worse at night after the lights have been on all day. Lucky for me its only on the sand bed and not covering my rock..... Yet :rolleyes:

Thanks for the idea of using this meds. I have not broke down that far yet but have thought about the chemiclean...
 
Purple? Don't think I've heard of dinos in purple. Ever since I started getting the stuff on my rock I started researching, even talked to Calfo about them on his forum. All the descriptions I've seen is greenish/brownish snot-like stuff that gets tendrils going up with air bubbles in them. Fortunately, mine have not advanced and actually seem to be receding somewhat. Some of the tank pics I've seen with them have been really, really bad.
 
Lonnie,

Your symptoms, especially the one about it getting worse as the day goes on, sound like classic cyano.
 
Agree with Captain Caveman here...sounds like cyanobacteria. Increase flow, decrease nutrients, export nutrients.
 
I have done those three things.. I have changed my feeding to 2 times a day from 4 times a day. I have done 2 water changes vacuuming the stuff off the sand bed. And I have increased the flow to the area where I was having the issue.. No luck so far just a fat cucumber..
 
What are your nitrates and phosphates testing out at?

If you were feeding that much, you might have a buildup of phosphates that's fueling it.
 
Agree with Shooter here. There is a build-up of excess nutrients in the tank leading to the growth of cyanobacteria.

The water changes (make sure there is no phosphate in your RODI), the GROWTH and REMOVAL of macroalgaes (got to make sure it is growing fast), the limiting of nutrients, the level of nitrate could be zero and the cyano will still readily uptake phosphate. So, you might try making sure your source water is free of phosphate, check your phosphates with a reliable test kit, limit phosphates by lower feeding, low bioload of tank, etc.

Also, running a phosphate remover will help as well.
 
Lonnie, as you saw, I'm battling cyano too. Yesterday, I put in some Phosguard (after a 10 gallon water change). I tested my phosphates yesterday (wish I would've gotten a better test kit, because it goes from 0 to 1.0, but it registered above 0 and below 1 (I would guess around 0.5). I'll let you know how the Phosgtuard works.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7282541#post7282541 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefer Wannabe
Lonnie, as you saw, I'm battling cyano too. Yesterday, I put in some Phosguard (after a 10 gallon water change). I tested my phosphates yesterday (wish I would've gotten a better test kit, because it goes from 0 to 1.0, but it registered above 0 and below 1 (I would guess around 0.5). I'll let you know how the Phosgtuard works.


Randy has a write up in this article about aluminum-based phosphate removers like phosguard and their leaching aluminum into the water:

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/july2003/chem.htm

It is worth a read and perhaps a good reason to use GFO instead.

dave
 
Many people have successfully used these products (including myself), but others claim problems from the aluminum products that they blame on aluminum toxicity. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ve seen no basis for these claims in my own tank, but I did not use them long term.

^ That quote was from the 1st article you posted from Randy. Apparantly he started his aluminum research shortly after that. Definitely something I'll watch. I did rinse it very well (as instructions say). Randy mentioned in his article that the experiment was done with lots of phosguard in a little water. If I had an aluminum test, I'd test it daily to see if the the aluminum levels rise. I don't plan on leaving it in long-term, but that info is good to know. Thanks for the info, Dave.

It figures: I picked up the wrong test kit AND the wrong phosphate remover!
 
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