I want a garden eel

ColbyWade

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I have a jbj 45 rimless that has been running for about 2 months now. I have wanted a garden eel since before I bought my tank. I have been told by my LFS that I need a 3-3 1/2 inch sand bed, but mine is only about 2- 2 1/2. If I am going to have to raise the sand another inch at least I'd like to raise my rock too. I'd basically have to rebuild my scape. Will this hurt anything? Can anyone give me advice on the best way to do this? I assume I would drain out about 10 gallons should I take my fish out too? I currently have 2 clowns, a sail fin tang, goby, fire shrimp, snails, hermits, and an anemone.
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You have plans to upgrade to a very large tank in the future, I hope?

Your sailfin tang will get to be over one foot long. Your tank is about 1/3rd the size of what it will need.

Depending on what garden eel you are looking at...

The minimum recommended tank size for a garden eel is twice the size of your tank...

They can get up from a foot and a half to two feet long...

The sandbed recommendation I saw is 6"....


Suggestion? Reconsider.




If you ignored that, then to raise your rock is pretty straightforwards...

Rinse the sand well then add it to the tank. Lift the rock up and gently set it down. Make sure you can see your fish so you know you aren't crushing them.

You are going to want to be careful placing your rock on top of the sand if you have a burrower like an eel. It could displace the rock by burrowing below it and get crushed. I lost an engineer goby that way.
 
I do have plans of getting a tank close to 3 times the size of my current tank eventually. The eel I'm looking at is very small. The one at my LFS has been in tank for 3+years and isn't much bigger than a #2 pencil. It's about 8-10 inches long.
I just added my goby in Sunday and he has already done a lot of digging.

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Also the LFS sand bed doesnt look much deeper than mine. Definitely not 6". I'm completely out on that.

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Regarding sand beds, can anyone recommend a good technique for keeping my sand looking clean. I'm doing weekly water changes, but the sand has still got some filth on the sand.

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I don't think you will see much of the eel with the other fish in the same tank.
I have always seen them in a species specific tank because they are so skittish.
 
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I think he sigh comes from the fact that you have a sailfin tang in a 45 gallon tank and are looking at garden eels only two months in to the hobby. You are obviously new to the hobby and I think your LFS is giving you poor information. They love to sell customers fish even if it’s too soon or not an appropriate fish for the tank. A sailfin tang should not be in a 45 gallon tank let alone a 2 month old tank but some might debate that part. Sailfin tangs are constant swimmers and need lots of grazing space. They are also VERY territorial and agressive. The garden eels are very sensitive and tough to keep and require very deep sand.. You need a larger tank with a MUCH deeper sandbed in my opinion for one and a tank that is truly mature which takes a year or more to come to fruition. Aquariums go through all kinds of changes during the first 12 months. Changes that can’t be measured with test kits. In my experience with garden eels, they need a very stable and well established system with several inches of very fine sand to survive long term and even then, they are very difficult to keep. I have had them before and despite have a 500 gallon display with plenty deep sand that had been up over 10 years at the time, I couldn’t keep them long term. Ultimately I gave up on them. I know others that had similar success or a lack of.

That said, nothing good comes quick in this hobby. Taking it slow is the best thing you can do to reduce the casualties. I would also suggest bringing that tang back to the LFS. He will be a problem in the long (and short) run as he will become very territorial in that tank and will not only become very stressed due to the small tank but also stress out your other fish and likely attack them. That is if he doesn’t get sick or breakout in ich due to stress first.
 
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My rock came out of a tank that had been running for 8 years. I have a pretty good start to the 12 months running. I wonder why my LFS sold me the sailfin? It has been in there almost 3 weeks and seems fine.
I think he sigh comes from the fact that you have a sailfin tang in a 45 gallon tank and are looking at garden eels only two months in to the hobby. You are obviously new to the hobby and I think your LFS is giving you poor information. They love to sell customers fish even if it's too soon or not an appropriate fish for the tank. A sailfin tang should not be in a 45 gallon tank let alone a 2 month old tank but some might debate that part. Sailfin tangs are constant swimmers and need lots of grazing space. They are also VERY territorial and agressive. The garden eels are very sensitive and tough to keep and require very deep sand.. You need a larger tank with a MUCH deeper sandbed in my opinion for one and a tank that is truly mature which takes a year or more to come to fruition. Aquariums go through all kinds of changes during the first 12 months. Changes that can't be measured with test kits. In my experience with garden eels, they need a very stable and well established system with several inches of very fine sand to survive long term and even then, they are very difficult to keep. I have had them before and despite have a 500 gallon display with plenty deep sand that had been up over 10 years at the time, I couldn't keep them long term. Ultimately I gave up on them. I know others that had similar success or a lack of.

That said, nothing good comes quick in this hobby. Taking it slow is the best thing you can do to reduce the casualties. I would also suggest bringing that tang back to the LFS. He will be a problem in the long (and short) run as he will become very territorial in that tank and will not only become very stressed due to the small tank but also stress out your other fish and likely attack them. That is if he doesn't get sick or breakout in ich due to stress first.

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By the way, way to be a douche answering someone else's question by shaming me. I clearly dont know enough about the eel. That's why I posted on a forum. Because i wanted other opinions. If you feel the need to rub in my inexperience, just keep your comments to yourself.

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My rock came out of a tank that had been running for 8 years. I have a pretty good start to the 12 months running. I wonder why my LFS sold me the sailfin? It has been in there almost 3 weeks and seems fine.

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Every tank I have started in the last 30+ years with exception of one was started with well cured live rock. That still doesn’t have much of a bearing on the tank maturing and even with the use of liverock, it still typically takes a year or more for a tank to fully mature.. It’s par for cours regardless of whether you use live rock or not. Live rock without a decent load will loose bacterial populations. Those populations increase and decrease gradually based on the biological load. Bacterial populations diversify over time and it’s not just the rock where the bacteria populates. Every surface of the tank and sump become places for bacteria to colonize and diversify. Live rock is a great source for more diverse bacteria but it will also have some die off when transferred from one tank to the next. Anaerobic bacteria will die off as just one example because air gets into the rock killing off the anaerobic bacteria which is one of the main denitrifying bacteria’s. Water chemistry changes over time. Not just in a couple months but over the first several months or more. These are all parts of the changes a tank will go through in route to becoming fully mature and while we can’t measure those changes, those changes have a direct impact on the inhabitants in the tank and various sensitive fish species, corals and invertebrates don’t tolerate those kinds of changes well.

By the way, way to be a douche answering someone else's question by shaming me. I clearly dont know enough about the eel. That's why I posted on a forum. Because i wanted other opinions. If you feel the need to rub in my inexperience, just keep your comments to yourself.

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I was not trying to be a “douche”. I am sorry you feel that way but I don’t think my response warranted name calling. I’ve been in this hobby a LONG time and ultimately was trying to help since I have experience with BOTH fish. I could have omitted that first sentence but I am sure I stated what many experienced hobbyist here were thinking. It’s a common mistake that people new to the hobby make when it comes to those kinds of fish. And frankly, I was trying to help and save you grief, frustration and money down the line not to mention unnecessary fish casualties. I was not trying to rub anything in your face.

If you read up on sailfin tangs on this forum or elsewhere on line by doing a simple google search, you will find that pretty much all reputable sites suggest a very large aquarium for that particular tang and for good reason. I’ve had them before over the years and frankly, I won’t even put one in my 500 gallon display because of their territorial and agressive nature. If you do a google search on Garden Eels, you will find the same information I provided. They require much larger tanks with very deep sand beds and even then, they are hard to keep successfully.

So I apologize if my response to you made me a “douche”. That certainly wasn’t my intent. I was only trying to help you and share information that others were not providing.
 
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Every tank I have started in the last 30+ years with exception of one was started with well cured live rock. That still doesn't have much of a bearing on the tank maturing and even with the use of liverock, it still typically takes a year or more for a tank to fully mature.. It's par for cours regardless of whether you use live rock or not. Live rock without a decent load will loose bacterial populations. Those populations increase and decrease gradually based on the biological load. Bacterial populations diversify over time and it's not just the rock where the bacteria populates. Every surface of the tank and sump become places for bacteria to colonize and diversify. Live rock is a great source for more diverse bacteria but it will also have some die off when transferred from one tank to the next. Anaerobic bacteria will die off as just one example because air gets into the rock killing off the anaerobic bacteria which is one of the main denitrifying bacteria's. Water chemistry changes over time. Not just in a couple months but over the first several months or more. These are all parts of the changes a tank will go through in route to becoming fully mature and while we can't measure those changes, those changes have a direct impact on the inhabitants in the tank and various sensitive fish species, corals and invertebrates don't tolerate those kinds of changes well.



I was not trying to be a "œdouche". I am sorry you feel that way but I don't think my response warranted name calling. I've been in this hobby a LONG time and ultimately was trying to help since I have experience with BOTH fish. I could have omitted that first sentence but I am sure I stated what many experienced hobbyist here were thinking. It's a common mistake that people new to the hobby make when it comes to those kinds of fish. And frankly, I was trying to help and save you grief, frustration and money down the line not to mention unnecessary fish casualties. I was not trying to rub anything in your face.

If you read up on sailfin tangs on this forum or elsewhere on line by doing a simple google search, you will find that pretty much all reputable sites suggest a very large aquarium for that particular tang and for good reason. I've had them before over the years and frankly, I won't even put one in my 500 gallon display because of their territorial and agressive nature. If you do a google search on Garden Eels, you will find the same information I provided. They require much larger tanks with very deep sand beds and even then, they are hard to keep successfully.

So I apologize if my response to you made me a "œdouche". That certainly wasn't my intent. I was only trying to help you and share information that others were not providing.
Apology accepted.

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By the way, way to be a douche answering someone else's question by shaming me. I clearly dont know enough about the eel. That's why I posted on a forum. Because i wanted other opinions. If you feel the need to rub in my inexperience, just keep your comments to yourself.

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Well he's right. I sighed about having a tang that gets large and aggressive in a small tank. Shame on your LFS selling you one because you didn't know better. I don't know a lot about garden eels to help much except they need a deep sand bad and generally don't do good in home tanks. Slief gives awesome advise when it comes to needing help.
 
By the way, way to be a douche answering someone else's question by shaming me. I clearly dont know enough about the eel. That's why I posted on a forum. Because i wanted other opinions. If you feel the need to rub in my inexperience, just keep your comments to yourself.

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His response included no name calling and very accurate, helpful information. You were lucky he responded, it was kinder than many I have seen over similar posts in the past.
 
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