"ICH FREE TANK" Quest Begins
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guyguerra
Premium Member
Paul, I would say that the hyposalinity would probably be your best option then. It does work for a lot of people. For accurate hypo you'll need a refractor and want to set the salinity at 11ppt.
I looked up nofishsick on this site to see what people were saying about it and it wasn't very good. I recommend you do a search on it and read the threads. Let us know how the hypo does for you. Good Luck, Guy
I looked up nofishsick on this site to see what people were saying about it and it wasn't very good. I recommend you do a search on it and read the threads. Let us know how the hypo does for you. Good Luck, Guy
ryan utterback
New member
Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ve never paid much attention to these forums. Occasionally Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢d pop in when I had a problem. I just ran across this link and thought I would share my opinion after reading atomikks post. I could feel his excitement. I remembered how much of a pain ich was for me in the past. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ve tried a lot of treatments, some worked better then others, but ich always seemed to come back. Since then things are different. I also have used no sick fishââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s ich treatment. I treated my tank 9 months ago, which was the last time Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ve seen ich in my tank. I also passed along my bottle to a friend 4 months ago. Worked great for her as well. She has been ich free since. We both have full reef tanks. Inverts, live rock- the whole 9 yards. Such a little bottle, yet it treats 300 plus gallons. Good stuff. Thatââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s my 2 cents. Best of luck to all.
Triggerfish
Active member
again, still waiting for one of the nosick spammers to list what is in that little bottle???????????
also, why is it that most of your posts get deleted from this board.
Brief Update Kick Ich
this round of the infectious stage of the cycle was the worst yet. my angel has had spots for about a week straight, with friday am being far the worst..wasn't looking good,i was getting ready for a full major outbreak.
friday am the angel was loaded with visible ich spots-worst in past 6 months.
i blasted the tank with 1st dose of 'kick ich' friday night..
normally the fish would look much worse in the AM.
fri pm - 5 fish visibly infected
sat am - 1 spot-angel
sun am - none
mon am - none -- no fish display any Trophonts
although only 3 days,,this is not what i expected from this product. or maybe it has nothing to do with the kick ich and perhaps the c.irritans are just changing up their typical duration of cycle stages-(unlikely).
since this infection entered the system, once my angel became infected all over, the fish would always show trophont spots; just less of them on certain days, but would always have them..
now he has not had any for 3 days.. i really think it's doing something here.. at the very least it has perhaps decreased part of the free swimming population.
Possible negative side effect
Snails- they seem to be slightly effected. seem to be falling more frequently and not moving around as much..
2nd dose was administered last night.
also, why is it that most of your posts get deleted from this board.
Brief Update Kick Ich
this round of the infectious stage of the cycle was the worst yet. my angel has had spots for about a week straight, with friday am being far the worst..wasn't looking good,i was getting ready for a full major outbreak.
friday am the angel was loaded with visible ich spots-worst in past 6 months.
i blasted the tank with 1st dose of 'kick ich' friday night..
normally the fish would look much worse in the AM.
fri pm - 5 fish visibly infected
sat am - 1 spot-angel
sun am - none
mon am - none -- no fish display any Trophonts
although only 3 days,,this is not what i expected from this product. or maybe it has nothing to do with the kick ich and perhaps the c.irritans are just changing up their typical duration of cycle stages-(unlikely).
since this infection entered the system, once my angel became infected all over, the fish would always show trophont spots; just less of them on certain days, but would always have them..
now he has not had any for 3 days.. i really think it's doing something here.. at the very least it has perhaps decreased part of the free swimming population.
Possible negative side effect
Snails- they seem to be slightly effected. seem to be falling more frequently and not moving around as much..
2nd dose was administered last night.
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guyguerra
Premium Member
Paul, here's the threads I mentioned with comments about nosickfish.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=631757&highlight=nosickfish
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=633529&highlight=nosickfish
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=631757&highlight=nosickfish
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=633529&highlight=nosickfish
guyguerra
Premium Member
Paul, here's the threads I mentioned with comments about nosickfish.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=631757&highlight=nosickfish
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=633529&highlight=nosickfish
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=631757&highlight=nosickfish
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=633529&highlight=nosickfish
AquAsylum
New member
Well, the thread sure has been busy over the past few days!
For the newer posters, here is a much-abbreviated recap of our ich experience to date:
In mid-June, we discovered the ich outbreak in the display. We had not used any QT procedures for our livestock. I moved all fish to QT and proceeded with hypo treatment. Water was kept at 11 ppt, measured several times per day with a refractometer, and the hypo treatment lasted six weeks after the last spot sighting, for a total of closer to nine weeks. Salinity was increased over one week. After the increase, the fish's health declined, and especially the tangs looked very poor. I believe it was a combination of bacterial infection and HLLE. So, two weeks after increase, the fish were reintroduced to display. The display had been fallow a total of 11 weeks.
One week after the return to the display, the hippo tang showed ich. I freaked out. Then I decided to calm down. Rather than destroy the tank again, we have chosen to go a few rounds with Kick Ich. We are on the second 14 day treatment and all is well. Not to say there are no spots, but I only saw 1 spot this weekend. Still on the hippo. As far as I can tell, no other fish has developed ich. We have been back in the display for 5 weeks (?) now. The other afflictions have vanished, general health being excellent. When we run out of Kick Ich, I may try RxP (I have a large bottle on hand), and if the ich returns, I'll go from there.
So, no, hypo did NOT work for us.
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In other news-
Trigger, I'm glad to hear you are seeing improvement. At least we know what Kick Ich is made of
Regarding nosickfish...I read the threads from the links that guy posted, and it is pretty irritating. Even IF, and that's a big IF, their product is the miracle they claim it is, they are doing a horrible job of promoting it. They should be up front about the treatment (what the heck is in it?) and not harass us. Harassment makes me so much less likely to buy something. Seriously, lay off, people!
I am glad to see that "farmboy" (conjures up bad imagery and sympathy for sheep) was regulated and had posts deleted. I hope that the ID "NSF" is carefully watched.
For the newer posters, here is a much-abbreviated recap of our ich experience to date:
In mid-June, we discovered the ich outbreak in the display. We had not used any QT procedures for our livestock. I moved all fish to QT and proceeded with hypo treatment. Water was kept at 11 ppt, measured several times per day with a refractometer, and the hypo treatment lasted six weeks after the last spot sighting, for a total of closer to nine weeks. Salinity was increased over one week. After the increase, the fish's health declined, and especially the tangs looked very poor. I believe it was a combination of bacterial infection and HLLE. So, two weeks after increase, the fish were reintroduced to display. The display had been fallow a total of 11 weeks.
One week after the return to the display, the hippo tang showed ich. I freaked out. Then I decided to calm down. Rather than destroy the tank again, we have chosen to go a few rounds with Kick Ich. We are on the second 14 day treatment and all is well. Not to say there are no spots, but I only saw 1 spot this weekend. Still on the hippo. As far as I can tell, no other fish has developed ich. We have been back in the display for 5 weeks (?) now. The other afflictions have vanished, general health being excellent. When we run out of Kick Ich, I may try RxP (I have a large bottle on hand), and if the ich returns, I'll go from there.
So, no, hypo did NOT work for us.
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In other news-
Trigger, I'm glad to hear you are seeing improvement. At least we know what Kick Ich is made of
Regarding nosickfish...I read the threads from the links that guy posted, and it is pretty irritating. Even IF, and that's a big IF, their product is the miracle they claim it is, they are doing a horrible job of promoting it. They should be up front about the treatment (what the heck is in it?) and not harass us. Harassment makes me so much less likely to buy something. Seriously, lay off, people!
I am glad to see that "farmboy" (conjures up bad imagery and sympathy for sheep) was regulated and had posts deleted. I hope that the ID "NSF" is carefully watched.
AquAsylum
New member
Paul-
The only life in the display was the live rock (we really got to know our bristle worms) and two small corals- a little colony of zoos and a green leather. The zoos were added about 3 weeks in, so there was still an 8 week fallow period after their introduction.
I have no idea where the ich survived. I am more inclined to think it was in the display, perhaps in the sandbed. I say this only because there was absolutely no visible ich on the fish in QT, even after 2 weeks of normal salinity.
The only life in the display was the live rock (we really got to know our bristle worms) and two small corals- a little colony of zoos and a green leather. The zoos were added about 3 weeks in, so there was still an 8 week fallow period after their introduction.
I have no idea where the ich survived. I am more inclined to think it was in the display, perhaps in the sandbed. I say this only because there was absolutely no visible ich on the fish in QT, even after 2 weeks of normal salinity.
Triggerfish
Active member
Laura - nice recap... damn if this kick ich stuff works with little to no side effects that would be something..
sounds like you're just about getting there...great news.
i think the next couple days will give me a better indication if things will continue to improve.
sounds like you're just about getting there...great news.
i think the next couple days will give me a better indication if things will continue to improve.
jeffbrig
Premium Member
A couple more weeks of hypo, 1 hurricane, 6 days without power - it's definitely time for an update.
We took a direct hit from hurricane Wilma and were in the southeastern eye wall (the bad side of this storm). Fortunately, we were well prepared, with a 7000w generator (and a decent supply of gas), 3 UPS devices, and battery powered air pumps as a last line of resort. With a bit of work, we were able to maintain the display and QTs with no losses.
55g QT - Achilles tang.
Hypo started 9/22 (39 days ago)
No visible ich ~10/3 (28 days ago - possibly more)
The tang acted a little strange during the hurricane fallout, and we were concerned for a few days. Could have been stress due to change in flow, reduced feeding, shorter lighting period, or even temperature fluctions (normally 80, down to 75). He wasn't eating with gusto, and was hiding and sometimes laying on his side behind the PVC. I brought up the temperature to 78, started feeding regularly, put the lighting back on a regular schedule and he seems fine. Now that power is restored, he seems no worse for wear.
10g QT - Clowns
Hypo started 9/22 (39 days ago)
Brooklynella treated successfully with Formalin dips
Fin-rot treated successfully with Maracyn2
These guys are probably about ready to start moving back to normal salinity levels. They started hypo in the 55g, but were moved to their own QT when brook started to appear. The clowns never showed any signs of ich, but remained in hyposalinity just to be safe. The little clown's tail has regenerated nicely, the black border around the edge is just starting to become visible. They made it through the hurricane without issue.
We took a direct hit from hurricane Wilma and were in the southeastern eye wall (the bad side of this storm). Fortunately, we were well prepared, with a 7000w generator (and a decent supply of gas), 3 UPS devices, and battery powered air pumps as a last line of resort. With a bit of work, we were able to maintain the display and QTs with no losses.
55g QT - Achilles tang.
Hypo started 9/22 (39 days ago)
No visible ich ~10/3 (28 days ago - possibly more)
The tang acted a little strange during the hurricane fallout, and we were concerned for a few days. Could have been stress due to change in flow, reduced feeding, shorter lighting period, or even temperature fluctions (normally 80, down to 75). He wasn't eating with gusto, and was hiding and sometimes laying on his side behind the PVC. I brought up the temperature to 78, started feeding regularly, put the lighting back on a regular schedule and he seems fine. Now that power is restored, he seems no worse for wear.
10g QT - Clowns
Hypo started 9/22 (39 days ago)
Brooklynella treated successfully with Formalin dips
Fin-rot treated successfully with Maracyn2
These guys are probably about ready to start moving back to normal salinity levels. They started hypo in the 55g, but were moved to their own QT when brook started to appear. The clowns never showed any signs of ich, but remained in hyposalinity just to be safe. The little clown's tail has regenerated nicely, the black border around the edge is just starting to become visible. They made it through the hurricane without issue.
guyguerra
Premium Member
Laura, it's nice to here from the folks that started this thread. You've accumulated a lot of knowledge and the results are there for all of us to see. I fell the same way as you. I don't feel that hypo is as conclusive or thorough as copper. But it does have it's place. I'm am a Cupramine fan, but others seem to work well too. I ran into the same thing with my Hippo Tang and it finally died. I think this fish has a much greater chance of letting Ich live it's coarse in closed tanks and I will never add one again because of that. This thread has been very helpful to a lot of us, so thanks for starting it. I posted a note to the moderator about farmboy after I saw the other threads that he was rejected from. Ich is a very serious problem for most aquarists and the information on this thread has had great integrity and needs to stay that way. I am really curious what the final feeling will be on Kick Ick, in case it ever does appear in my reef, that will probably be my only option. I will pay very close attention to how you and others do with it. Guy
pecan2phat
Active member
I was one of "those" guys that posted that I am trying NSF but after getting a bash of "not being surprised if I reported back the next day with a miracle cure", I was hesitant to even state any experience with the product.
For those that do want to know, I am on day 5 of the NSF treatment and it doesn't seem to slow down the progression of the infection. It has actually gotten worse with a lose of a Majestic angel on day 4.
I've used KI on and off for a few years even though my local LFS states that it doesn't work. I always ask why he carries it then, his reply is that people continually ask for it. It's a $40 product for a 2 liter bottle locally & if you happen to stay prepared, then you can obtain it for about $23 online.
I've had success with KI when the infestation is noticed very early on but never when the infestation has hit hard. I recently used KI on three occassions this year & my results are mixed. On a full blown SPS reef tank, there was no capturing the fish for treatment so either let the parasite run it's course or try KI. Since it's always my tangs that get it bad, I dosed as per instruction on the 1st, 3rd, 5th day, on day 8, I started to notice my Caps RTN'ing and then also some Acros. I stopped and performed a 25% water change , turned on my skimmer and added carbon. Needless to say, I lost 3 tangs shortly after but my Regal angel, Wrasses, Clowns & Anthias survived. They show some light signs of the parasite still in the water column but this has been for the last 3 months. Since the Wrasses & the Anthias do occasionally scratch, I decided to try the NSF. But this was not my guaging factor. The prime reason why I wanted to try another product was because of my fustration with Ruby Reef's products that I was also using on my FOWLR. The reef, I basically left alone but stupidity and carelessness caused me to transfer the parasite into my FOWLR back in Sept. I started with the 1st 14 day treatment at prescribed dosage and no luck. I wait 2 days perform a 17% water change and start up another 14 day treatment but dosed every other day for 7 doses. Towards the middle of the 2nd treatment, I reseached a thread regarding KI that the manufacturer had participated in & realized that the prescribed dosage is actually a minimal amount that the product would have any positive results. The thread went on to talk about doubling the dosage was a waste of money and that 1.5 x was effective if your tank had a " large excess of biofiltration capacity which lead to unusually rapid degradation of Kick-Ich reagents. So I increased the dosage to 1.5 x, turned off my UV (which I though would help) & started 2 treatments of Rally due to noticeable secondary bacterial infections.
So treatment #2 is finished with no positive results, I perform another 17% water change two days after treatment #2 and start treatment #3. I dose again, 1.5 x on days 1, 3, & 5 and NSF comes in the mail. I double check by sending an email to the manufacturer regarding RTN issues with Acros & they respond that their product was tested with Acros and no negative effects. So the next day I start with NSF in my reef (that hasn't had any treatments since July) and also with my heavily infested FOWLR tank.
As I stated above, this is day 5 and the product has not shown any positive results. I doubt if an additional 2 days will change things but I'll continue the treatment to see. (especially for the reef tank).
FWIW, in early Sept., I treated my office tank which is a 55g FOWLR with mushrooms and the 14 day prescribed treatment and dosage (2 oz. per 25 gallons) was adhered to with an additional dosage on day 16 and it actually worked. The mushrooms started to not open as much during the treatment but they are fully recovered now.
Seems like from July till present has been a bad 3 months for me & ick. The last time I had ick was after the east coast blackout in '02
For those that do want to know, I am on day 5 of the NSF treatment and it doesn't seem to slow down the progression of the infection. It has actually gotten worse with a lose of a Majestic angel on day 4.
I've used KI on and off for a few years even though my local LFS states that it doesn't work. I always ask why he carries it then, his reply is that people continually ask for it. It's a $40 product for a 2 liter bottle locally & if you happen to stay prepared, then you can obtain it for about $23 online.
I've had success with KI when the infestation is noticed very early on but never when the infestation has hit hard. I recently used KI on three occassions this year & my results are mixed. On a full blown SPS reef tank, there was no capturing the fish for treatment so either let the parasite run it's course or try KI. Since it's always my tangs that get it bad, I dosed as per instruction on the 1st, 3rd, 5th day, on day 8, I started to notice my Caps RTN'ing and then also some Acros. I stopped and performed a 25% water change , turned on my skimmer and added carbon. Needless to say, I lost 3 tangs shortly after but my Regal angel, Wrasses, Clowns & Anthias survived. They show some light signs of the parasite still in the water column but this has been for the last 3 months. Since the Wrasses & the Anthias do occasionally scratch, I decided to try the NSF. But this was not my guaging factor. The prime reason why I wanted to try another product was because of my fustration with Ruby Reef's products that I was also using on my FOWLR. The reef, I basically left alone but stupidity and carelessness caused me to transfer the parasite into my FOWLR back in Sept. I started with the 1st 14 day treatment at prescribed dosage and no luck. I wait 2 days perform a 17% water change and start up another 14 day treatment but dosed every other day for 7 doses. Towards the middle of the 2nd treatment, I reseached a thread regarding KI that the manufacturer had participated in & realized that the prescribed dosage is actually a minimal amount that the product would have any positive results. The thread went on to talk about doubling the dosage was a waste of money and that 1.5 x was effective if your tank had a " large excess of biofiltration capacity which lead to unusually rapid degradation of Kick-Ich reagents. So I increased the dosage to 1.5 x, turned off my UV (which I though would help) & started 2 treatments of Rally due to noticeable secondary bacterial infections.
So treatment #2 is finished with no positive results, I perform another 17% water change two days after treatment #2 and start treatment #3. I dose again, 1.5 x on days 1, 3, & 5 and NSF comes in the mail. I double check by sending an email to the manufacturer regarding RTN issues with Acros & they respond that their product was tested with Acros and no negative effects. So the next day I start with NSF in my reef (that hasn't had any treatments since July) and also with my heavily infested FOWLR tank.
As I stated above, this is day 5 and the product has not shown any positive results. I doubt if an additional 2 days will change things but I'll continue the treatment to see. (especially for the reef tank).
FWIW, in early Sept., I treated my office tank which is a 55g FOWLR with mushrooms and the 14 day prescribed treatment and dosage (2 oz. per 25 gallons) was adhered to with an additional dosage on day 16 and it actually worked. The mushrooms started to not open as much during the treatment but they are fully recovered now.
Seems like from July till present has been a bad 3 months for me & ick. The last time I had ick was after the east coast blackout in '02
AquAsylum
New member
Guy- I hope we are able to give good reports on Kick Ich. I think that what we may find out is that it is a good treatment while the ich runs through the longer life cycle, but not necessarily a cure. If I have to keep dosing it until I hit a year, it will get quite expensive!!
Also wanted to clarify that, although I have participated in this thread since June, I did not start it. Thanks for that go to Triggerfish, plaz, and tjay.
Pecan- thank you very much for sharing your experiences with both Kick Ich and NSF. I don't think any offense was meant by the "miracle" comment, especially considering that you are a bona fide RC member with a lot of posts. I think this will be the first honest report about NSF that any of us have read. For the sake of your tank, I had hoped it would be everything its makers claim.
Also wanted to clarify that, although I have participated in this thread since June, I did not start it. Thanks for that go to Triggerfish, plaz, and tjay.
Pecan- thank you very much for sharing your experiences with both Kick Ich and NSF. I don't think any offense was meant by the "miracle" comment, especially considering that you are a bona fide RC member with a lot of posts. I think this will be the first honest report about NSF that any of us have read. For the sake of your tank, I had hoped it would be everything its makers claim.
Triggerfish
Active member
pecan - sorry to hear about your recent loss. also no 'direct' offense regarding your attempted usage of the
"private proprietary mystery bottle".
the ridiculous spamming marketing attempts on this board are annoying.
so far day 4 of kick ich treatment and no sign of parasite,,i believe the product supposedly kills the "free swimming tomites". so the system at the very least is still harvesting cysts,,but hopefully as treatment continues the rupturing cysts are destroyed.
just not sure how long this treatment will need to continue for.
i'm wondering if you could remove your sps and try to treat again.
i'll keep a look out and remove anything that starts to RTN,,as it's tough to stop once it takes hold..
your comment regarding effective dosage is interesting.. i came across another marine ich write up that suggested the following:
http://www.reef-aquarium.net/resources/disease/ich.html
"5-Nitroimidazoles- I found these to be moderately successful against Cryptocaryon, although it required twice as many applications as the manufacturer stated on the instructions to affect a complete cure."
My thoughts on this are the following:
1. active ingredient 5-Nitroimidazoles, kills the free-swimming stage(tomites)
2. Directions indicate to treat for 13 days
3. ich cyst(tomonts) can last up to 28 days in tropical water temps
4. you would probably need to treat for at least 30 days to have a major impact on fully eradicating the c.irritans.
5. raising temp in tank to possibly speed up lifecycle to rupture more cysts
i actually have another 2L bottle of this stuff on the way..the 1st shipment arrived damaged and 1/4L spilled out.. for that they are shipping out another 2L bottle at no charge.
good luck, hope conditions improve.
"private proprietary mystery bottle".
the ridiculous spamming marketing attempts on this board are annoying.
so far day 4 of kick ich treatment and no sign of parasite,,i believe the product supposedly kills the "free swimming tomites". so the system at the very least is still harvesting cysts,,but hopefully as treatment continues the rupturing cysts are destroyed.
just not sure how long this treatment will need to continue for.
i'm wondering if you could remove your sps and try to treat again.
i'll keep a look out and remove anything that starts to RTN,,as it's tough to stop once it takes hold..
your comment regarding effective dosage is interesting.. i came across another marine ich write up that suggested the following:
http://www.reef-aquarium.net/resources/disease/ich.html
"5-Nitroimidazoles- I found these to be moderately successful against Cryptocaryon, although it required twice as many applications as the manufacturer stated on the instructions to affect a complete cure."
My thoughts on this are the following:
1. active ingredient 5-Nitroimidazoles, kills the free-swimming stage(tomites)
2. Directions indicate to treat for 13 days
3. ich cyst(tomonts) can last up to 28 days in tropical water temps
4. you would probably need to treat for at least 30 days to have a major impact on fully eradicating the c.irritans.
5. raising temp in tank to possibly speed up lifecycle to rupture more cysts
i actually have another 2L bottle of this stuff on the way..the 1st shipment arrived damaged and 1/4L spilled out.. for that they are shipping out another 2L bottle at no charge.
good luck, hope conditions improve.
Triggerfish
Active member
Kick Ich Update: Week 1
Infection cycle: Angel would show spots every day to every other day when fish has been infected in main tank over the past 6 months.
kick Ich - Round 1 Dosing(11oz/Dose)
skimmer turned off, carbon removed
All dosing done in pm
10/28 - 1st dose: 5 fish visibly infected - Angel worst yet
10/30 - 2nd dose: no ich visible
11/2 - 3rd dose: no ich visible
Infection cycle: Angel would show spots every day to every other day when fish has been infected in main tank over the past 6 months.
kick Ich - Round 1 Dosing(11oz/Dose)
skimmer turned off, carbon removed
All dosing done in pm
10/28 - 1st dose: 5 fish visibly infected - Angel worst yet
10/30 - 2nd dose: no ich visible
11/2 - 3rd dose: no ich visible
guyguerra
Premium Member
Triggerefish, could you give us a very brief synopsis of the methods and results of treatment you've done? I've gone back thru the threads, but am lost in overload. It seems like you've tried both hypo and copper and after putting the fish back in the display, Ich came back, and now you are leaving them in the display and using KickIch to keep the parasite at bay. I'd like to understand more of what you've done. If I ever see Ich in my main display, I believe I would leave the fish alone and try something like KickIch to give them a chance to outlive it. Thanks for your time, Guy
Triggerfish
Active member
Hey guy-
my prior treatment attempts were filled with issues.
i was having a hard time quarantining all the fish in 1 tank.
Treatment 1: Hypo
once i got the refractometer, i maintained the sg as close to 1.008-1.009 as i could monitor.
Result: never could confirm that the ich was gone. it just seemed to pop back up 1 small spot at a time - gave up after 4 weeks.
Put angel back in tank and ich showed up after tank was 5 weeks fallow. No patience on 1st attempt.
fish removed once again..
Treatment 2: Copper
Copper 3 weeks, once began to carbon out - ich reappeared.
perhaps it was a dosage issue.
Copper 3 weeks again, possibly reappeared after about 10 days of removing. basically this fish was not quarantined for the full 6 weeks after the last spot was noticed. it was quarantined for 5 weeks then another 10 or so..it just seemed like it would never get back in the tank.
Possible reasons Ich reappearing again in main tank:
1. 8 weeks fallow not enough
2. ich still on fish when reintroduced - suspects=asfur, clown
3. added some unquarantined LPS from infected tank - the bases were scrubbed only
4. added some unquarantined SPS from tank that had fish
i had 4 quarantine tanks going at one time and everything was mayhem... 2 of my tanks sg got up to 1.035 as i was forgetting that i was adding saltwater for topoff. i was losing my mind.
my main tank was suffering as well..
my prior treatment attempts were filled with issues.
i was having a hard time quarantining all the fish in 1 tank.
Treatment 1: Hypo
once i got the refractometer, i maintained the sg as close to 1.008-1.009 as i could monitor.
Result: never could confirm that the ich was gone. it just seemed to pop back up 1 small spot at a time - gave up after 4 weeks.
Put angel back in tank and ich showed up after tank was 5 weeks fallow. No patience on 1st attempt.
fish removed once again..
Treatment 2: Copper
Copper 3 weeks, once began to carbon out - ich reappeared.
perhaps it was a dosage issue.
Copper 3 weeks again, possibly reappeared after about 10 days of removing. basically this fish was not quarantined for the full 6 weeks after the last spot was noticed. it was quarantined for 5 weeks then another 10 or so..it just seemed like it would never get back in the tank.
Possible reasons Ich reappearing again in main tank:
1. 8 weeks fallow not enough
2. ich still on fish when reintroduced - suspects=asfur, clown
3. added some unquarantined LPS from infected tank - the bases were scrubbed only
4. added some unquarantined SPS from tank that had fish
i had 4 quarantine tanks going at one time and everything was mayhem... 2 of my tanks sg got up to 1.035 as i was forgetting that i was adding saltwater for topoff. i was losing my mind.
my main tank was suffering as well..
jeffbrig
Premium Member
Bringing the fish out of hypo
Bringing the fish out of hypo
Well, I finally decided I'm calling the treatment complete. The achilles tang has been showing signs of stress for the last few days. I've done two 50% water changes, and he seems to be improving. It seems the biological filter in the QT was damaged (probably because the biowheel was off periodically when I was running on generator power after the hurricane). Although ammonia looked ok when I tested this weekend, I did see nitrite, which is not a good sign.
Hypo since 9/22 - 46 days
The clowns never showed visible ich. The tang showed several spots at the start, which dropped off after a few days. A spot on one side fin seemed to persist. Not sure if it was ich or a persistent bubble. I posted on here that he was perfectly clean on 10/3, which was 35 days ago. Based on the life cycle numbers for ich, he was probably clean a few days prior to that.
So, now I'm bringing salinity up between 1-2 thousands each day. Then we'll observe for another week or so and see how they do.
Bringing the fish out of hypo
Well, I finally decided I'm calling the treatment complete. The achilles tang has been showing signs of stress for the last few days. I've done two 50% water changes, and he seems to be improving. It seems the biological filter in the QT was damaged (probably because the biowheel was off periodically when I was running on generator power after the hurricane). Although ammonia looked ok when I tested this weekend, I did see nitrite, which is not a good sign.
Hypo since 9/22 - 46 days
The clowns never showed visible ich. The tang showed several spots at the start, which dropped off after a few days. A spot on one side fin seemed to persist. Not sure if it was ich or a persistent bubble. I posted on here that he was perfectly clean on 10/3, which was 35 days ago. Based on the life cycle numbers for ich, he was probably clean a few days prior to that.
So, now I'm bringing salinity up between 1-2 thousands each day. Then we'll observe for another week or so and see how they do.
guitarfish
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How will you bring the SG back up? I find that to be the biggest pain in the whole process.
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