Ich question...

spinnerbayt

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With all that is going on with my house addition and renovation I had to combine my 2 tanks into one. 20g and 110g into the 110g. Which I didn't think was any big deal but I guess my tangs (yellow & powder brown) did and now have ich. No other fish showing signs...YET. I know the best thing to do would be remove all fish to another tank and treat leaving the display fish free for 6 weeks but the whole reason I did what I did was because with all that is going on I just didn't have the room for 2 tanks and maintain them and one was in the demo zone. I'm going to hook up my UV to that tank tonight but can anyone give advise as to what I can do other then removing the fish if possable.
 
Hook up the UV and watch them for signs of it getting worse instead of better, but my guess is they will be fine. I had a fish with really bad ich and the uv took care of it within days. Run the UV on the smallest gph possible.
 
The only proven cure for ich is hyposalinity. However, some have experienced success using garlic soaked foods and other medications. In my own bouts with ich, I try to use garlic first, if things do not improve then I will try to catch the fish, then give them a FW dip and put them in a hospital tank.

I know that is not very encouraging news.
 
I used both the byposalinity and the garlic soaked food for my purple tang. When I first got him, it stressed him out and he broke out in a terriable case of ich. He recovered completely and none of the others got it, which was a big concern for me because one of them was a yellow tang and I thought for sure he would get it.
 
...we've used No Sick Fish at the shop and in Roger's tank with very good results. Even with the latest rantings on RF, I think that UV and the NSF would be your best bet. I don't know about garlic, cept for vampires and my special white margherita pizza... It does make fish eat but I don't know about all the other miracles it can perform.......good luck and post your results with whatever you try....
 
You might be suprised how well garlic works. It may just be a coincidence but I have always fed my fish garlic. I think it may help them to create more slime. This is one reason why tangs are so prone to ich, they do not produce much slime. Most people scoff at things they do not understand and are best not to give an opinion on such matters. As to No sick fish. It may work but at least you know what the active ingredients of garlic are.
 
Well I'm not sure what happend but when I got home from work the powder brown was sucked into one of my power heads. I don't think that had anything to do with having the ich as he wasn't that bad. The yellow tang is still swimming fine and acting normal. Guess we'll just have to see if he pulls through.
 
Actually your right Phil I have used Garlic and garlic extract at home and at the shop on my blue hipo and it has worked pretty much every time, the trick is the fish must ingest the garlic. I believe Chris even fed his fish minced garlic for ich once? As far as NSF who knows maybe it's 10% garlic with 90% masking agent :) Thats all I got on this.
 
This is just my opinion. I have had this problem on more than one occassion - which may mean I am dumb. I do not claim to be an expert, just sharing what I have seen, read and tried.

The life cycle is suppose to be about 4-5 weeks. ICH is not suppose to be able to stay alive (continue the cycle) without a fish host, ICH is not "always" there it is a parasite that may become a problem "if present" when the fish become stressed for some reason - water quality, introduction of new fish, water temperature, etc.

Garlic - said to stimulate appetite, no evidence (I have read) that it does anything to prevent/eliminate ICH. Who knows, bunch of people seem to believe it works (a couple from this group who I ask all my questions to).

UV - obviously may kill free swimming stage parasites, not likely to hope for all to travel through that little piece of hose since they are in rocks on fish, continuously multiplying. Perhaps a good way to minimize an out break and give other remedies or the immune system an opportunity to be effective. Again the opinions vary - this is my own.

Tank treatments - people will bash the No sick fish or the ICH KICK or whatever and say they also do not work.

What I think............
I do not think it is always there or in the water.
I do think that if you QT you can prevent from introducing.
I do think that the use of a UV can minimize, not eliminate.
I do think cleaner shrimp and fish can help but only in a situation in which ICH is living in the tank = no outbreak, just small flare ups. Once they have it big, cleaner shrimp/fish are of no value.
I do think garlic stimulates the appetite and good eating fish are healthier, as is their immune system.
I do think ICH can live months and months in your tank without there being an outbreak (big) if the fish are healthy.
I do believe you can starve ICH out of your tank if you remove all of the fish. Time? - - They say 6 weeks.
I do think that if ICH has been living in the tank and then some sudden change occurs creating stress an outbreak can happen.
I do think think a fresh water dip is a good plan, but only due to my poor results performing them. It seems to create a great deal of stress to an already bad situation.
I think in a FO tank that if you keep the salinity low and the temperature higher, you can kill off ICH.

I had a situation similar to yours in which I combined fish from 2 tanks and had an outbreak. I am certain that ICH had been living in the tank, the stress/fighting caused it to become an outbreak. So from my experience I believe it can live perhaps undetected or in small quantities for several months. I want to say 12+ but I just can not say that I did not add rock or coral that may have been carrying the parasite.

As for reeftank tank treatment, I used ICH KICK once in the past and the ICH went away. I used it a second time, double treatment, the only thing that went away were my shrimp, crabs and several fish. I also used NSF when my double treatment of KICK ICH or ICH KICK did not work the second time. I had a rabbit fish and purple tang in bad shape that cleared up.

Was the clear up the first time due to the ICH Kick treatment? Was the clear up the second time due to NSF?

I do not know, do not claim to know, just telling my experience.

Perhaps like a UV the tank treatments killed the swimming cycle, ending the cycle - perhaps it was something else.

Good luck to you - hope this helps.
 
As of last night I added UV to the tank and raised the temp by 2 degrees, the tang is the only fish showing signs of ich so lets hope it starts getting better. I am still at a loss as to what happened with the powder brown .:mad: (I still don't think it was related to the ich). I had not had a problem with either tank before I combined them. I also did a water change on the tank at the time of combining the two tanks so the ich must have been in one of the tanks and just the stress of adding a couple fish and some rock from the 20g plus the water change must have just been too much. I'm just going to put my tank on cruse control and maintain what I have till the house is finished. I have 2 more maybe 3 large tank projects comming this fall. I'll start a new thread to tell you about those and get input on them.
 
The tang has completely recovered and shows no signs of the ich as of last night but the bicolor blenny has some spots on him now. He is still swimming and eating fine. All other fish seem fine.
 
living with ick is a pain. glad to see your using UV it does help keep it in check. I think they should call it fish zits.... it seems to always come back when the fish are stressed, and multiple tangs are a stresser. I know, I have several...... good luck and keep us posted
 
Tang still shows no signs and the blenny is also gettng better with only a few spots now. I think the worst has past.
 
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