Jeremy Blaze
Former Reef Addict
You forgot one thing, L.E. 
Onereef Raxxledazzleberry L.E. Frags. waiting list starts now!
Onereef Raxxledazzleberry L.E. Frags. waiting list starts now!
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OneReef
Reef Guru
You forgot one thing, L.E.
Onereef Raxxledazzleberry L.E. Frags. waiting list starts now!
What's funny is that I see "L.E." corals for sale at different websites, and some of them look no different than a $30 frag that I see at my LFS that looks just like it. It's insane. For example, recently online I saw some brownish looking palys that had cool gold fleck/specks all over the face. The website claimed it was LE and was asking $40 a head. I saw the same exact palys at my LFS, and he was selling colonies of these things for $20 claiming they grow like weeds and were kinda a nuisance.. Funny......
OneReef
Reef Guru
Jeremy Blaze
Former Reef Addict
You're all wrong!
Its a lime Purple Nurple Alien Finger L.E.
Duh, aren't you guys up to date on the le's?
Its a lime Purple Nurple Alien Finger L.E.
Duh, aren't you guys up to date on the le's?
OneReef
Reef Guru
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cediss
New member
Great discussion. I really have no clue which species the OP posted. It doesn't look much like the "pearl berries" I've seen which look mostly like those posted a couple posts back. That being said I have a colony similar looking to the OP picture which I hope darkens to look more like the pearl berries I am used to seeing.
Not to get us back to the debate, I wish the hobby would go back to the scientific side of naming as it does standardize the process of identifying, but I know it won't happen. Thanks Tyree for this
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Personally its the hobbyist discretion to buy corals that reflect a fair market value and avoid the LE side of purchasing. As long as there are those who can afford to throw ridiculous sums of money to branded corals, the more frugal reefers will just have to have patience to find the same coral at a reasonable price.
Not to get us back to the debate, I wish the hobby would go back to the scientific side of naming as it does standardize the process of identifying, but I know it won't happen. Thanks Tyree for this
. Personally its the hobbyist discretion to buy corals that reflect a fair market value and avoid the LE side of purchasing. As long as there are those who can afford to throw ridiculous sums of money to branded corals, the more frugal reefers will just have to have patience to find the same coral at a reasonable price.
Masterofnonsense
New member
Scientific name = one species = Acropora inermis
Store A sells pearlberry
Store B sells rubyberry
Store C sells diamondberry
Store D sells A. inermis
How many species were just listed? 4? 1?
Most reading this already know the genus, why not add the species to the list?
Psst.
Psst.
Maybe if everyone used the scientific name, the marketing would go away and the prices would be reasonable.
Store A sells pearlberry
Store B sells rubyberry
Store C sells diamondberry
Store D sells A. inermis
How many species were just listed? 4? 1?
Most reading this already know the genus, why not add the species to the list?
Psst.
Psst.
Maybe if everyone used the scientific name, the marketing would go away and the prices would be reasonable.
Jeremy Blaze
Former Reef Addict
Though that is a very valid arguement, I have learned it is falling on deaf ears around here.
cromedogg33
Member
If you don't want to buy the designer name then don't....What's the problem with it?
Do you buy a Toyota and call it a Lexus? Some people want the designer jeans at the store and are willing to pay more for it.
Both of your points are invalid. It matters only to the person and what they are willing to spend, designer name or not.
It's like the new clown fish fad. Are they all one species?
What about dogs? A yellow lab can be many colors, do we have a scientific name for it? Would you pay more for a designer dogs markings?
Do you buy a Toyota and call it a Lexus? Some people want the designer jeans at the store and are willing to pay more for it.
Both of your points are invalid. It matters only to the person and what they are willing to spend, designer name or not.
It's like the new clown fish fad. Are they all one species?
What about dogs? A yellow lab can be many colors, do we have a scientific name for it? Would you pay more for a designer dogs markings?
Well I just looked and I think I have a valid point. Just because you don't agree doesn't make my point invalid.
Businesses spend resources on trying to figure out how to get us to part with our money all the time. Usually, it involves sex but other ways include making things sound rare (limited edition) or by giving it some exciting name. If you don't believe me head over to the for sale forum and just read the names and the prices. Even if you know nothing about a particular group they sound pretty fair huh?
Then go back look at the pictures, remove the names and assign numbers to those.
Do you feel any different?
Again buy what you can afford and like and let everything else fall away.
Also I would call a yellow lab a yellow lab and a brown one a chocolate one but I would realize that looking at the 4 yellow and 5 chocolate pups they all came from the same parents. The color description would still be valid.
Now if I could just get a hold of some burnt cinnamon double mocha labs I could afford that new acro everyone is hyping.
dvanacker
DID I SOUNDS SMRT??
Problem is out of the hundred and hundreds of corals I've seen imported I have never seen one look exactly like an ORA pearlberry. Yes I've seen acros of the same species.....but just because they are the same species doesnt mean they are the exact same coral.....just look how many different acropora millepora there are. You point is really invalid. Maybe if every coral of the same species was exactly the same you would be right....but your not.
cromedogg33
Member
I get what you are saying I really do. But in all honesty they are LE in some cases. No two animals are the same. 1 colony vs another colony even within the same species are different.
The fact that everyone is "hyping" some ridiculously named coral because they are "Rare" is laughable. But I understand the fact that this morph is completely different than the one 2 miles down the coast in the wild.
It's not like these LE corals or ORA are going out in the wild and picking up acropora tortusa all day. They have mother colonies of the specific ridiculously named species of coral.
I find it no different than having an AKC dog with blood lines/lineage. Sure a dog is a dog if you want to look at it that way.
The fact that everyone is "hyping" some ridiculously named coral because they are "Rare" is laughable. But I understand the fact that this morph is completely different than the one 2 miles down the coast in the wild.
It's not like these LE corals or ORA are going out in the wild and picking up acropora tortusa all day. They have mother colonies of the specific ridiculously named species of coral.
I find it no different than having an AKC dog with blood lines/lineage. Sure a dog is a dog if you want to look at it that way.
Josh:
I see what you are saying also and I think we are both saying pretty much the same thing just in a different way especially with the hype issue.
I guess my whole thing goes along with the definition of rare or LE as well as the names people come up with to "describe". In the wild is the species found across a broad region but you find only a few colonies maybe 1 per 100 square miles or is it found at one location only and 25 colonies are found in 1 square mile?
For the hobby does it mean one source from one colony only? If 5 frags are released each year then ok it is a "rare or LE" and I can see it being more expensive. But you can see LE being attached to frags that come up for sale on RC each week or maybe every few weeks.
If there are 1000 tanks with a specific coral or 10,000 do the lines become blurred or does it go back to the wild distributions?
Again I really don't care what something is called or if it has those two little letters next to the name because it really means little to me. I am not into the name game but that doesn't mean I won't in the future and perhaps my views will change as well. To others I am sure it does and that is great because that means the hobby has something for everyone to enjoy. Isn't that what a hobby is suppose to do?
Darryl:
Again I think that my point is valid. I understand your point because there is variation among specimens from the same species. You may have 100 specimens and 99 of those look exactly alike but then you have that 1 that looks different. Maybe the physical environment caused the growth to be different or the coloration to be more blue because of where the coral grew.
Does that mean that the 1 is not the same species as the 99?
As far as the ORA Pearl goes again how many species are present? If it is genetically identical to another acro but they look different does that mean there is one species or two?
I see what you are saying also and I think we are both saying pretty much the same thing just in a different way especially with the hype issue.
I guess my whole thing goes along with the definition of rare or LE as well as the names people come up with to "describe". In the wild is the species found across a broad region but you find only a few colonies maybe 1 per 100 square miles or is it found at one location only and 25 colonies are found in 1 square mile?
For the hobby does it mean one source from one colony only? If 5 frags are released each year then ok it is a "rare or LE" and I can see it being more expensive. But you can see LE being attached to frags that come up for sale on RC each week or maybe every few weeks.
If there are 1000 tanks with a specific coral or 10,000 do the lines become blurred or does it go back to the wild distributions?
Again I really don't care what something is called or if it has those two little letters next to the name because it really means little to me. I am not into the name game but that doesn't mean I won't in the future and perhaps my views will change as well. To others I am sure it does and that is great because that means the hobby has something for everyone to enjoy. Isn't that what a hobby is suppose to do?
Darryl:
Again I think that my point is valid. I understand your point because there is variation among specimens from the same species. You may have 100 specimens and 99 of those look exactly alike but then you have that 1 that looks different. Maybe the physical environment caused the growth to be different or the coloration to be more blue because of where the coral grew.
Does that mean that the 1 is not the same species as the 99?
As far as the ORA Pearl goes again how many species are present? If it is genetically identical to another acro but they look different does that mean there is one species or two?
