IDOL UPDATE Long Beach Aquarium Visit today

salt e

In Memoriam
i have scheduled an appointment with a Marine Bio. by the name of Dr. Staudamier working with Husbandry at the Long Beach Aquarium this past week. when i called and requested to speak with someone about the Idol they put me in front of him.

From what i was told he is one of the leading ppl in this area with detailed knowledge reguarding this fish captive and especially in the wild while in hawaii (8+ years). Please keep in mind that what you are about to read are only the Doctors POV's on the topic fish.During the conversation alot of questions were answered. my biggest concern was HOW CAN I KEEP THIS FISH ALIVE IN CAPTIVITY. these questions were answered along with concerns about diet and behavior as well... All of the Q: and A's: were done sitting by the shark pond outside where ALL the Moorish Idols are kept.... you read correct... kept with the sharks and rays in the touching pool being grabbed at by little kids with ketchup and chocolate covered fingers... they have also been kept outside in Shark Lagoon for years and succussfully been spawning among the sharks, rays, kids and ketchup...apparently this fish is easyer to keep alive then we have all thought... i will explain in a sec. I thought it might have been lack of swimming room that might be leading this fish to its unhappy demise....nope not exactly but it does help to keep him HAPPY as i found out ...

lets start with diet.
from what i understand the idols MAIN diet is LIVE Algae (the word LIVE was stressed during the conversation for a reason..will explain later)... the doctor belives that there are 2 different species of sponge ( i wont attempt to spell the species he uttered off) that the idol prefers but will also eat some others though not as nutritional, one is orange and the other is blue... some different types of corals as well as sea squirts and a few other things such as squid, shrimp this, that and the other. @ the aquarium they provide NONE of the diet listed except the live algae that grows powered by the sunlight. and the squid and shrimp offered to the Sharks and Rays. now get this... not even on occasion are the idols provided with any pellets or suppliments for the sponge. Nor are they provided with anything else that they prefer in the wild.

they have only lost ONE Idol withen the past 3 or 4 years housed there due to Shark attack during feeding. none have dropped dead in shark lagoon due to any unknown reasons, which most ppl w/ home aquariums experence. prior to being housed with the sharks OUTSIDE they were indoor for inside viewing. they did poor inside and the aquarium lost quite a few in search for the reason or answer in what was causing this fish to fail.

the reason i gather why this fish can live outside with a bunch of heavy waste producing sharks and rays rather then inside a CLEAN home aquarium is for the reason mentioned above...LIVE ALGAE... most of us run PhosGuard media and such to avoid algea issues / brakeouts. but if you want to successfully house this fish... to us it would be a dirty tank... to this fish it would be a garden of paradise. The LIVE algae helps the fishs ammune system as they can fall sick very easly from almost ANYTHING and seem to kick the bucket over night when just yesterday morning it was swimming around your 800+ gal tank eating Formula II frozen snacks in your UBER CLEAN AND CLEAR SPS SHOW TANK.

i explained to the doctor that, that might be near imposible then to keep alive at home if you like to view you fish at all... he said in short before a call from his son and leaving soon after...," What *I* would do is give him a nice size tank to swim in, and provide ample liverock with good growth, if the rock you have in your tank currently does not have much, at least once a month bring home a good size rock for the fish to feed off. Good Luck." the tank size was not a reason for the fish to fail... but it will keep him HAPPY... not ALIVE.

Im sure i haven't covered everything, and i dont feel overly confident about housing this fish still as of yet, since i dont much like an algae infested tank. but i do feel one step closer. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, but what species' of algae? What nutrients is the algae uptaking? What else is the Idol eating from the exhibit?

Um, I gotta say, if this guy is a "leading expert" and this is the best he can tell you, that might give you a good clue on just how little is known on this subject.

I'm been to the shark pool several times and have never seen a single Idol in it. That doesn't mean they aren't there, but it would seem odd that I would have missed them each time since they have been there for 3-4 years. Anyone else seen them in the pool?

And the pool is what, 2000 gallons?

Come to RAP and talk to Bob and Anthony, especially Bob on this subject. Bob really knows his Hawaiian stuff, and if anybody has observed anything about their wild behavior, it's him. And is he doesn't know, he may be able to refer you to some people.

I'm not saying this good doctor is full of it, but he didn't provide you with much.
 
Nicole i completely agree.... i didnt really feel like i left there with much... and he mentioned the specific type of algae but i didnt note it...well the specific type that was growing in the pond at least... that is prolly why i still feel lost in all this... he was much pressed in time and couldn't hand me over to anyone else that might be able to answer any more questions, he was visiting for the day that i have schudeled to meet with since about 4-5 days ago or so...
 
I've seen the Idols in the shark pool. It's one of the pools where you can reach in to pet the nurse shark, zebra shark, stingrays...

when I first read this title, I thought it was about seeing some American Idol singer at Long Beach.
 
they do have moorish idols in the touch pool outside, not the much smaller bannerfish in the picture. just sharing, as i frequently visit the aquarium.
 
Okay, so I was blind!

The good doctor may not have been blowing you off, but may not have understood the level of your interest and was giving you the brochure version. I'm afraid many Marine Biologists and pro aquarium workers have a dismal view of hobbiests. In some ways, it's justified.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7940479#post7940479 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by saltyESQ
why does the Aquarium of the pacific have a henochius butterfly listed as a moorish idol? (on the link)


id-e-its? :D
 
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Maybe that is the key? I know when I had my idol I wasnt running a skimmer nor did I keep up on regular water changes. Also PaulB's tank doesnt look the "cleanest" IMO (Sorry Paul :)) maybe this Dr. has got something here?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7941278#post7941278 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NicoleC
Because that's not LB's web site, it looks like a personal page at a high school
I HOPE THAT KID GOT AN "EFF" :D


well before we all rush into Idol Madness.. i think we first need to take a group trip to the LB Aquarium... slap on a bunch of "HI MY NAME IS..." tags.... pin someone down that works in husbandry that has exclusive info on the fish living IN THIS DISPLAY then we can move on from there. *(Nicole it is a Mandatory trip for YOU :D) how ever much i hate to admit it...Nicole is right... the species of algae that is growing there is KEY...if you do not have this species of algae in your tank ABUNDANT... just because you have a dirty tank means nothing IMO BUT if you DO house this species HOW can you get it to grow fast enough to replinish the Idol once the food has been exhausted THEN your in big trouble... and also... if you do not have this species of algae, MOST IMPORTANTLY...how can you get it to grow :p i also have a bunch of pics from the display i will post in a few.
 
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Also, if the guy was just visiting, how the heck does HE know what the real scoop on the Idols at the aquarium are anyway?
 

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