I'm shocked!

fishgate

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Well... was shocked... many times actually!

I was doing a water change just now and thought I felt a slight tingle. So I checked again and was more sure. So I got my multi-meter and checked voltage between my sump water and ground. It measured 37 volts A/C. Woah not good! So I unplugged my return pump. Checked again using the old hand in the water and hand on ground, got that tingle again. So I unplugged the heater. Still tingly. So what was left? uhh... nothing. hmmm.... I proceeded to unplug the ATO but I didn't think that could do this. Tingle test confirmed, NOT the ATO. What the.... I figured may as well pull the temp and pH probes. Check again, tingly still, 37 volts A/C still. Now this was getting very strange. Every single thing in the sump was now unplugged and most of it I removed from the sump so where was this errant voltage coming from? I looked at all the lines near the sump but nothing was in the water. Very peculiar! Finally, just for fun, I unplugged one of the Hydor circulation pumps in the main tank. Check and mate! Tingle stopped! So even though my return pump was off, the return line back to the tank was still primed and still created a water path from the tank down to the sump. Very interesting!

I think this explains my Urchin's strange behavior lately. He has been shedding a few spines and wedged himself between the tank and a pipe. The clown didn't seem to mind but the snails were also seeming to be out of water. Now I know the Clown was not grounded as well as the Urchin. But can they still be effected by voltage in the tank? I never measured from the tank to ground so I don't know how much voltage the DT was experiencing.

And also I guess I am not understanding why my GFI didn't pop. The Hydor was plugged into a power strip that was plugged into a GFI outlet. Should this have popped or no?
 
Well... was shocked... many times actually!

I was doing a water change just now and thought I felt a slight tingle. So I checked again and was more sure. So I got my multi-meter and checked voltage between my sump water and ground. It measured 37 volts A/C. Woah not good! So I unplugged my return pump. Checked again using the old hand in the water and hand on ground, got that tingle again. So I unplugged the heater. Still tingly. So what was left? uhh... nothing. hmmm.... I proceeded to unplug the ATO but I didn't think that could do this. Tingle test confirmed, NOT the ATO. What the.... I figured may as well pull the temp and pH probes. Check again, tingly still, 37 volts A/C still. Now this was getting very strange. Every single thing in the sump was now unplugged and most of it I removed from the sump so where was this errant voltage coming from? I looked at all the lines near the sump but nothing was in the water. Very peculiar! Finally, just for fun, I unplugged one of the Hydor circulation pumps in the main tank. Check and mate! Tingle stopped! So even though my return pump was off, the return line back to the tank was still primed and still created a water path from the tank down to the sump. Very interesting!

I think this explains my Urchin's strange behavior lately. He has been shedding a few spines and wedged himself between the tank and a pipe. The clown didn't seem to mind but the snails were also seeming to be out of water. Now I know the Clown was not grounded as well as the Urchin. But can they still be effected by voltage in the tank? I never measured from the tank to ground so I don't know how much voltage the DT was experiencing.

And also I guess I am not understanding why my GFI didn't pop. The Hydor was plugged into a power strip that was plugged into a GFI outlet. Should this have popped or no?


From what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong). But the GFI is set to trip at a certain level. The powerhead may have not been providing enough of that level to pop it.
 
Yes there is a threshold, but it's usually something really small like 30 milliamps.

Is there a test button in the gfci? Try pressing it to see if it trips. If no button there are other ways to test them.
 
Ha! It turns out that particular power strip is in the one outlet in that room that isn't GFI. I will rectify this weekend.
 
Any thing that has electrical power flowing through it will cause induction.


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Keeps sticking hand in tank to "test" :headwally:
Not even protected by GFCI.. :headwally:

natural selection missed you this time.. :lmao:
 
BTW: This is the SECOND Hydor powerhead that has leaked voltage.



Buy the right pump (equipment) once, that's what I live buy. It does pay off in the long run. When you invest to much money and more importantly time you can not get back spending more once is truly worth it. Especially considering how far an equipment malfunction can set you back.


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Keeps sticking hand in tank to "test" :headwally:
Not even protected by GFCI.. :headwally:

natural selection missed you this time.. :lmao:

I was thinking this while reading thru.. Volt meter laying on the floor but sticking hand in the tank to see if it shocks me.. ..


:blown:

I have 6 hydor wave pumps and have had no issues with any of them.

Glad you found the solution but please please no more testing with your hands..
 
Keeps sticking hand in tank to "test" :headwally:
Not even protected by GFCI.. :headwally:

natural selection missed you this time.. :lmao:

Doh! It was a very mild "tingle". Hardly enough to hurt me. I found if I touched the tank then the wet cement floor the tingle got more tingly though. Also I wasn't sure my multi-meter was reading correctly since after I unplugged everything I still had the electric reading. I was actually beginning to wonder if it was simply a static charge. That was until I realized that the still primed return piping was providing a path from the DT to the sump. I wasn't about to try this from the DT although in retrospect I wish I had put the multi-meter in the DT and got a voltage reading to ground just to see how much power was leaking. I suspect quite a bit more!
 

Try it and see. When I finally discovered the offending pump and unplugged it, my multi-meter dropped to 0. I still had my other circulation pump going. Not sure if I would have gotten a reading if I put the probe closer to the pump housing though.
 
That can keep a gfci from tripping.

?? huh?

It actually makes the GFCI trip the instant an "issue" develops..
Thats the ONLY benefit a ground probe serves that really isn't needed anyways..And can be an issue too as that may mean that the GFCI trips when you aren't around to investigate/adjust
 
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