In-Wall 180 Project

Here's what I did:

Regular portland cement (dark stuff from Lowes), rock salt, and some leftover Southdown.

I put about 1:1 of sand and cement together, then mixed in the water to make a big thick mudball. Just mixed the water in very slowly and made sure it wasnt too much. If it was, I added more cement a little at a time to thicken it. I literally had to knead it to the point it was dry enough to be very sticky and muddy. I then added a LOT of rock salt (not sure how much exactly) so there was salt in every chunk that I pulled off. Knead and break the mass apart to make the random shapes and edges.

I then put the mudball on a bed of southdown and sprinkled southdown on top to coat it. Have to make sure that there is sand between the rock and the side of the container or it will end up becoming a smooth edge. I also picked up each rock and bent the bottom inward to create a cavity since it has a tendency to try to settle flat on the bottom.

Let it dry 24 hours and it's sitting in a bin of water soaking now and for the next four weeks.

Since then, I've gotten some other tips. Apparently I didnt need that much cement. I'm going to pickup some Riverside cement (supposed to be whiter) and more sand. I'll put 1 part cement with about 5 parts of sand, then water, then mix in the salt to see if that turns out better. Maybe I'll go the Garf way and use a sandbed to make shapes. Problem with their shapes is that they are smooth rather than "craggy".
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6639770#post6639770 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nikonosis
everything you need to know about making your own rock
http://www.garf.org/

Yep, thats where I got the tip about the Riverside cement and proper ratios. This is fun. Once I'm done experimenting, I'll just make as much as I can to use up all of the materials. Whatever I dont use can be given away to locals.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6640343#post6640343 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by got2lb
What did you use for "rock salt" Are you talking about water softener salt?

Well, the bag doesnt specifically state "for use with water softener", but I believe the wording does include "can be used in water softeners". It's not the pellet stuff. That scared me, and has really weird shapes. This is actually salt. Like we used on the sidewalks to melt ice when I lived in Pennsyltucky.
 
i wouldn't put any salt in it because how do you know when it is all disolved?

You could put it in your tank months from now after curing and there could still be salt in it disolving. If you want it to be really porous, use crushed oyster shells.
 
I was just skimming through this whole thread, looking at the pictures of the construction. Very nice job by the way! This is pretty much exactly what I want to do... approx. a 180-250g in wall reef. Just wondering how everything is going. Got a couple questions for you... Is it hard to clean the tank from just inside the room from behind the tank. And I was just wondering about some cost issues... I'm currently running a 50g reef setup with MH and CF and all the filtration, which cost me a decent amount of money, but obviously a setup like yours would be a much higher expense. So I was just wondering about how much your set up cost you, and about how much it costs you to keep it running (additives, electricity, etc...).

Any info would be a great help. I'm just starting to plan ahead for a big set up for when we move out of our condo and into a house.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6641081#post6641081 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kyle12781
I was just skimming through this whole thread, looking at the pictures of the construction. Very nice job by the way! This is pretty much exactly what I want to do... approx. a 180-250g in wall reef. Just wondering how everything is going. Got a couple questions for you... Is it hard to clean the tank from just inside the room from behind the tank. And I was just wondering about some cost issues... I'm currently running a 50g reef setup with MH and CF and all the filtration, which cost me a decent amount of money, but obviously a setup like yours would be a much higher expense. So I was just wondering about how much your set up cost you, and about how much it costs you to keep it running (additives, electricity, etc...).

Any info would be a great help. I'm just starting to plan ahead for a big set up for when we move out of our condo and into a house.

Thanks Kyle!

Lets put it this way: It's NOT easy to clean the front glass from behind the tank. :cool:

I need a better mag float for one, and will modify it with a scraper. I have a long scraper blade and a couple of good algae scrubbers too. Siphoning the sand isnt too much of a problem because I can hold the siphon up pretty high and reach most places. I invested in a set of gloves that go up to my shoulders to keep my skin oils out of the water during cleaning. I do have to bend over to clean the bottom and reaching the sand bed in front of rocks at the front without seeing is very tough sometimes, but I manage.

Cost? Not exactly sure. I split most of the cost between a couple bonus checks and two credit cards. I like to stay in denial when it comes to the total amount, but I'd guess around $6-$8k to setup including all equipment new that I didnt salvage from my 40gal.

I estimate that the electricity is about an extra $75 per month give or take. I experiment with additives, but not many. I've used DT's Live Phyto and my SPS love it. Other than that, I run a calcium reactor and add kalk (Pickling Lime) to my topoff container. I have a little 10gal QT tank in the room on the floor and it's equipped with a $14 filter, no additives. I am using IO so I added Reef Essentials to the 20gal water changes every other week to boost the calcium (sometimes only once per month). I just found OceanPure for less money than IO (IO=$31.99 for 160gal bucket at PetSmart, I just got two 50gal bags of OceanPure for $15.98. An extra 40gallons of mix for the same money, and all the calcium needed) so I'm going to switch salts.

Other than that, my setup is pretty simple. Hopefully I'll have more pics soon to show some mods and enhancements.
 
I just spent the last couple hours reading the whole thread. Jarhead, awsome job, just awsome. I am really impressed. I am also really impressed by all the RCers that came out to help him with advice and encouragement.

Jarhead, if you need a big moose to help you move anything let me know! I just want to check out that rad tank!
 
Thanks guys!

BlueStag, I'll take some pics as soon as the lights go on. I'm not a good photographer and my digi camera is not the highest quality (that means I have no clue on how to get it to focus properly), but I'll get them. The Clam is doing VERY well. He climbed down off of the rock I put him on and is now in the sand. Not sure if thats good or not.

Natex, if your ever in the Inland Empire area, you are welcome to come over ANYtime! Need some cheato? It's time to harvest, so whenever you want, let me know. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6737288#post6737288 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by natex
I just spent the last couple hours reading the whole thread. Jarhead, awsome job, just awsome. I am really impressed. I am also really impressed by all the RCers that came out to help him with advice and encouragement.

Jarhead, if you need a big moose to help you move anything let me know! I just want to check out that rad tank!


agreed... awesome stuff...
thanks for sharing with us the whole process from the start....

was thinking if you could replace your door know or make it look less obvious. that might somehow draw attention away from the tank.

u can ignore my suggestion, cos i'm prbly obessive-compulsive..
 
Which door? You mean the door to the fish room itself?

Well, there will be trim around it, the same trim thats around the tank. The wall will also be painted the same color that you see in the hallway.

Thanks for the compliments!
 
Someday, someone is going to come show me how to take pictures properly. :D

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