Interesting night

[ryan_ferguson25]

You can always qt. The fish will have to be treated, then sit in qt until the required fallow period has been reached in the display.

Thx...that's what I'm going to discuss tonight with LFS.

 

[Sk8r]

Look at the sticky on the life cycle of the pest. It's at the top of the Reef Discussion section.

 

[ryan_ferguson25]

Look at the sticky on the life cycle of the pest. It's at the top of the Reef Discussion section.

Thx

The plan is to treat and monitor with metro and garlic for now. If it worsens then they'll go to QT for the 72 days. There is only a couple spots and I'm being told not to panic or tear the house down yet. Obviously the tank will stay as is as far as live stock for quite a while.

 

[LJLKRL]

Thx

The plan is to treat and monitor with metro and garlic for now. If it worsens then they'll go to QT for the 72 days. There is only a couple spots and I'm being told not to panic or tear the house down yet. Obviously the tank will stay as is as far as live stock for quite a while.

You should do the tank transfer method to rid the fish of ich, then put them in QT while you tank sits fishless for 72 days or so.
Do a search for TTM and you will find good information on it, and it works too.

 

[pisanoal]

But if his fish already have ich it won't do any good to qt. the parasite is already in the tank. Unless you just stay with the fish you have for a while till they either die or develop immunity you can't add more fish


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There are far worse things than ich.

 

[Shaummy]

Thx

The plan is to treat and monitor with metro and garlic for now. If it worsens then they'll go to QT for the 72 days. There is only a couple spots and I'm being told not to panic or tear the house down yet. Obviously the tank will stay as is as far as live stock for quite a while.

One thing to clarify..if you do indeed pull the trigger for the QT/Hospital Tank for Ich, you will have to move all the fish out of the main tank and leave it for those days..not just the one you suspect is infected.

 

[ryan_ferguson25]

One thing to clarify..if you do indeed pull the trigger for the QT/Hospital Tank for Ich, you will have to move all the fish out of the main tank and leave it for those days..not just the one you suspect is infected.

Yes thx

Everyone is doing great btw...no spots...eating great...everyone really active...

I know I'm not out of the woods...if I see one spot on anyone they will all go to the hospital and we'll sit fallow for the recommended 72 days.

But so far so good...

 

[Betaktical]

Keep us posted as I had the same problem about 2 weeks ago. Ich when I woke no ich the next day.


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[ryan_ferguson25]

Keep us posted as I had the same problem about 2 weeks ago. Ich when I woke no ich the next day.


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Will do

 

[ryan_ferguson25]

soo..

as many predicted... the Ich is back...Tang is scratching on rocks... yes you can all say " I told you so "

I'll be taking the fish to the LFS hospital tank to be treated for the 2 weeks.... from there i'm either going to invest in my own QT or keep the the fish at the LFS QT until my fallow period is complete.... This is a very unpopular decision with my wife and kids... but I have to pull the trigger...

LFS says they like to treat with 2 types of anti biotic because copper is really hard on the fish... but from my research on the forum theres only 3 ways to rid fish of Ich guaranteed.... Hypo, Copper or TTM.

I would love to give TTM a shot... but the reality is... I have 4 year old twins... run my own business... and not confident I can pull it off....

either way... thanks for the advice... wish us luck...

 

[heathlindner25]

The fish will most likely not make it through all that stress.

 

[ryan_ferguson25]

The fish will most likely not make it through all that stress.

What can I do to reduce the stress

 

[dweber618]

Also, even if the LFS cures it in two weeks (which seems unlikely IMO) - you'd be adding it back to a tank that still has an active ich infestation.

Unfortunately if you want to guarantee no ich you'd have to go fish less in your display tank for at least 72 days.

I have a strict QT procedure for all new fish, even given that, I avoid tangs because they are SO succespptible to ich.

Sorry to be such a Debbie downer on your plans. Realistically it takes a lot of work to have a healthy fish population in your tank. Some people have really healthy tanks and have never QTd a single fish. It's really just a matter of how risky you want to be with the health of your livestock. I rushed things, half assed my QT, added too many fish at once, and ended up losing 5 fish...that was my experience before I finally pumped the brakes and did everything a different way.

EDIT: I see now your planning on the 72 day fallow period...sorry for beating a dead horse with that recommendation again.

 

[ryan_ferguson25]

Also, even if the LFS cures it in two weeks (which seems unlikely IMO) - you'd be adding it back to a tank that still has an active ich infestation.

Unfortunately if you want to guarantee no ich you'd have to go fish less in your display tank for at least 72 days.

I have a strict QT procedure for all new fish, even given that, I avoid tangs because they are SO succespptible to ich.

Sorry to be such a Debbie downer on your plans. Realistically it takes a lot of work to have a healthy fish population in your tank. Some people have really healthy tanks and have never QTd a single fish. It's really just a matter of how risky you want to be with the health of your livestock. I rushed things, half assed my QT, added too many fish at once, and ended up losing 5 fish...that was my experience before I finally pumped the brakes and did everything a different way.

EDIT: I see now your planning on the 72 day fallow period...sorry for beating a dead horse with that recommendation again.

Sorry I meant to say we will be fallow for the 72 days... after ich treatment they will stay in qt until fallow period elapses.

 

[ryan_ferguson25]

Also, even if the LFS cures it in two weeks (which seems unlikely IMO) - you'd be adding it back to a tank that still has an active ich infestation.

Unfortunately if you want to guarantee no ich you'd have to go fish less in your display tank for at least 72 days.

I have a strict QT procedure for all new fish, even given that, I avoid tangs because they are SO succespptible to ich.

Sorry to be such a Debbie downer on your plans. Realistically it takes a lot of work to have a healthy fish population in your tank. Some people have really healthy tanks and have never QTd a single fish. It's really just a matter of how risky you want to be with the health of your livestock. I rushed things, half assed my QT, added too many fish at once, and ended up losing 5 fish...that was my experience before I finally pumped the brakes and did everything a different way.

EDIT: I see now your planning on the 72 day fallow period...sorry for beating a dead horse with that recommendation again.

What is your qt procedure if u don't mind me asking.

 

[dweber618]

I have two 10 gallon petco tanks, two heaters, two powerhead, two thermometers. Fish come into tank 1 from store...i make sure they are eating and settled in before starting ttm.

Once they are comfortable, I will get tank number 2 up and running, match temp and salinity of tank 1. I will then start ttm, and transfer the fish every 3 days for the 12 days, sometimes 15 as an extra precaution.

During this time I monitor Ammonia, and will usually add prime on the second day just to be safe. The smaller/fewer fish you have the less of a concern this is. Since you change water 100% every 3 days that helps.

In between one of the transfers I will do a formalin bath. And also, I will dose prazipro during two of the 3 day ttm stages. Here's an outline

Day 1: tank 1 straight from lfs

Day 3: move to tank 2 (as long as fish is eating)

Day 7: move back to tank 1, dose prazipro

Day 10: move back to tank 2, do formalin bath in between

Day 13: move back to tank 1, dose prazipro

Day 16: move to tank 2 for observation (or do 1 more transfer if I want to be safe).

 

[dweber618]

Note: all equipment is washed, and 100% dry in between each transfer. This is critical to the process in order to disrupt the ich life cycle. The formalin bath and prazipro are precautionary treatments against brook, flukes, and other diseases.

Since starting I have 4 healthy fish and have yet to lose one (after a full round of qt). I have lost fish during the process as some just refused to eat and/or died from disease during treatment.

 

[dweber618]

It's a ton of work - but I'm way more comfortable knowing that losing my entire stock of fish to disease is slim, and that is worth it for me. Any one of the fish that died from disease in QT could easily have wiped out my entire tank.

 

[ryan_ferguson25]

It's a ton of work - but I'm way more comfortable knowing that losing my entire stock of fish to disease is slim, and that is worth it for me. Any one of the fish that died from disease in QT could easily have wiped out my entire tank.

Thanks. After your TTM do u QT for a period of time or go straight to DT once TTM is complete.

 

[dweber618]

I do QT after ttm. The problem with that is you have to be way more careful with your filtration, or keep up on huge water changes to keep your Ammonia in check. I have a 36gallon tank that I move the fish to. I run it with a hob filter, and throw a couple of bio balls that are seeded with bacteria from my main rank. I also purchased bottled bacteria from Dr. Fosters and add that as well. I will keep the fish in there for another month or so to make sure no signs of disease show.

I'll then move them to the DT and toss the bio ball and drain and dry everything out. I usually wait several months between purchasing new fish because 1) it takes a bunch time/work and 2) I like to give my DT time to adjust after adding new fish.