Invertibrate Wish List

grand reef1

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I'm planning on doing a 55g Soft coral tank with some clownfish gobies and wrasses. And I just love invertibrates, So I was wondering if these invertibrates could be good.

2-Drawf Blue Leg Hermit Crab
1 Porcelain Anemone Crab
2-3 Feather Dusters
1 Lettuse sea slug
1 Burgundy Sea star
1 Marble Sea star
1 Blood Red Fire Shrimp
1 Banded Coral Shrimp
1 Bumble Bee Shrimp
6 Turbo Snails
1 Nassarius Snail

If this list is to big/ small/ or if any of the guys wont get along then tell me.

Thanks
 
Any "standard" type sea star will be difficult to keep alive past a few months. I wouldn't suggest any other than a serpent or brittle.

A bumble bee shrimp is going to be way too small in a mixed tank like this. If a wrasse doesn't eat it, your coral banded shrimp likely will.

Lettuce slugs need a specific live algae to feed on. The algae needed depends on the species of the slug. I wouldn't suggest one.

There are porcelain crabs that don't require a host anemone. Actually, even the anemone ones don't require an anemone, but it will help keep the crab safe in an environment such as this. You may be better off (with the fish and other inverts) going with a non-anemone porcelain crab.

You may want to increase the number of nassarius snails -- they are good CUC animals.
 
Other than some temperate mollusk eaters and the crown of thorns, the diet of most traditional sea stars is unknown. Whatever it is that they eat, most aquariums do not seem to have nearly enough of it to sustain a sea star for any length of time. If the sea star was lucky enough to come through shipping damage-free, than they survive the few months as they slowly starve to death.
 
Certainly the "chocolate-chip" type stars, and the red "General" stars, are meat eaters, as well as the ones I used to see in the tide pools in Oregon. They'll eat mollusks and corals, and I saw a red general eat an urchin once. So if it's thick like a chip star or even thicker like a pillow, it's diet will be whatever you've got that it can catch - in addition to leftovers or dead animals or krill or fish food, corals, etc. If it's linkia shape, it eats something the the living top layer on live rock - different species probably different components, but "microsponge" is one example. It certainly won't take anything you feed it, nor will it "clean up detritis" or eat algae. Any web-site or LFS that tells you a sea star eats algae is probably not uninformed so much as they are flat out lying to make a sale. Everyone in the business actually knows better by now. If it's a sand-sifter, it eats microfauna in the sand bed - only OK if you have lots of sand, and borderline on being sufficient for the star if have about a 200G tank with lots of sand. If serpent or brittle, they'll take care of uneaten food, small dead things, and happily grab up and devour supplemental feedings such as small pieces of krill or uncooked table shrimp. But watch out for the "Green Brittle", or "Green Death", known to take a fish here and there once they grow big enough.
 
Well, where is the tide pool that you go to? If you are in one of the United States that isn't Hawaii or the Keys part of FL, than the stars in the tide pool are likely the temperate mollusk eaters that I mentioned. Your tank would likely need a chiller to keep such animals alive (if you want them to reach a natural longevity, as temps in even southern coastal waters are not 80 degrees year 'round), not to mention the heavy bioload that feeding clams may put on your tank.

I do believe that you have to be observant with your brittle and serpent stars, but I have yet to have trouble with one. Size them appropriately, and make sure that you offering them meaty foods whenever they are interested.
 
Me: "Other than some temperate mollusk eaters and the crown of thorns, the diet of most traditional sea stars is unknown."

You (OP): "But dont most sea stars eat clams. Because I know the ones at the tide pool I go to do?"

Me: "Well, where is the tide pool that you go to? ...the stars in the tide pool are likely the temperate mollusk eaters that I mentioned."

You (OP): "I go to a tide pool that is in Main. But are the Burgundy and marble stars temperate? I'm confused"

My reply: The starfish that you see in a Maine tidepool are from cool temperate waters, and would fall into my generalized category of "temperate mollusk eaters." And, indeed, you state that you have seen them eat "clams."

As far as the "Burgundy and marble stars" in your query -- first, that description doesn't give me much to go on as far as what species (or even genus) of seastar you are referring to; these could be species of Fromia, Linkia, Nardoa or any other genus.
However, I assume your question is about a tropical species available in the trade, as many Fromia sp. are refered to as "marble stars."

To be clear, it was never my intention for you to infer that these seastars may be "temperate mollusk eaters." Rather, these starfish would fit in my generalized category of having unknown diets and thus not fairing well in most of hobbyist's tanks.

First, a caveat: Most reef-keepers know the general rule-of-thumb about traditionally-shaped seastars -- that is, the "bumpy ones" are carnivores of "meaty" foods. Well, collectors, wholesellers, and retailers also know this "rule," and they are aware that seastars labeled "Fromia" and "Linkia" sell better than unidentified seastars. Since many hobbyists wouldn't be able to identify the differences between the various Asteroidea seastars, most imported seastars are labeled as either "Fromia" or "Linkia" and few people recognize if the starfish is misidentified. This only adds to the confusion re: keeping stars in tanks.

According to Dr. Shimek in his Marine Invertebrates book (Pocket Expert), several Fromia sp. found in the trade either have an unknown diet or feed primarily on live sponges. The situation is similar for Linkia, for which the "natural and necessary diet is unknown." Thus he determines that these seastars are inappropriate for most tanks as the star will "die of malnutrition."

As finsurgeon mentioned, I have also read that these stars feed on the "organic film" on live rock, something that simply can't currently be replicated by prepared foods. This organic film may consist of film algae, sponges, encrusting organisms (e.g. bryozoans and forams), small motile invertebrates (e.g. copepods and amphipods), and bacterial films.
 
ive always heard that stars will eat your coral just to see if they can, they may never go back to it but they will try
 
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