is it me or does everyone surf both forums?
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capncapo
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Where is all of this "bickering"?
I've seens a few posts with a few derrogatory remarks made ( at least one by you ). Seems to me that if you want the "bickering" to stop then looking in the mirror may be a good place to start.
There is one reason for the two clubs and that is that the board of SEASL was not interested in changing with the times. As a matter of fact they stilll have'nt. Thay may have decided that they need to do more to compete but they have not done what they promised to do.
Two clubs has been the best thing to happen to the St. Louis area simply because it got SEASL off of their laurels. They have gone from a club that had a single meeting once a month to now having two meetings. They didn't just take the summer off last year like they normally did. Why is that?
Where we came from....and how we got here. For those that don't remember or weren't here. The Board of SEASL was once very strict and closed minded to the membership. Everything had to follow a very strict set of rules if it didn't it was ignored. Seasl today is very different. The Seasl that chastised Trottie for swapping a frag at a meeting that wasn't a frag swap was what led many of us astray. We wanted a club that didn't do that and thought of the members as friends, not subjects. The reading is very long in the 3 threads below but it may open people's eyes as to why there are two clubs. I would love to see one strong unified club but we never had that before. If these two clubs could get along it would be wonderful. One important thing to note...the membership is the same for the most part, it is who runs the clubs and how they run things that is different and caused a second club to form. Slash was created so the avg. member could be a friend, not just a dues paying person. When we started this club it was with the mindset that we would always try and do what the members wanted. Today Seasl is taking the idea we tried to impart to them almost a year ago and making it part of what they are. This is a good thing and I hope it continues.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=775444
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=777548
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=789095
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=775444
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=777548
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=789095
Perhaps we should not dredge up the differences, perceived or real from the past, but move forward with the momentum put forth by the positive responses to THIS thread. Recognizing that SEASL has responded and changed for the better is a good first step, Sirreal.
I, too, would love to see one strong unified club. There are good qualities to each club that are perhaps not duplicated in the other, but so much of what makes a club a club IS duplicated. It is exhausting to think about the wasted effort having them seperated when the membership is largely the same! If the leadership of both clubs would find a way to lead that included working together, that would TRULY be leadership! Clearly the membership wants this.
Failing that, and I don't see why it should fail, if these two clubs could just get along it would go a long way toward healing the rift.
I, too, would love to see one strong unified club. There are good qualities to each club that are perhaps not duplicated in the other, but so much of what makes a club a club IS duplicated. It is exhausting to think about the wasted effort having them seperated when the membership is largely the same! If the leadership of both clubs would find a way to lead that included working together, that would TRULY be leadership! Clearly the membership wants this.
Failing that, and I don't see why it should fail, if these two clubs could just get along it would go a long way toward healing the rift.
Im Lon 2
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There is nothing wrong with having two clubs.
We have our meeting, those that want to come, come.
You have your Meetings, those who want to come, come.
When it comes down to it there are two different type clubs..
And there are a lot of people that attend both and have a blast at both.. Thats Great!
I'm for a BBQ, but Joining the clubs back together.. Sorry I'm Not !!
I have been on both boards and I think St. Louis has only grown bigger over the last year, and will continue to grow. Having two clubs will only help that.
We have our meeting, those that want to come, come.
You have your Meetings, those who want to come, come.
When it comes down to it there are two different type clubs..
And there are a lot of people that attend both and have a blast at both.. Thats Great!
I'm for a BBQ, but Joining the clubs back together.. Sorry I'm Not !!
I have been on both boards and I think St. Louis has only grown bigger over the last year, and will continue to grow. Having two clubs will only help that.
It would make sense to unite into one club due to the fact that we are all the same folks here in these two forums that comprise the membership.
I think the SEASL leaders are willing to look at this positively and as SLASH leaders, we should too. Sometimes, things go haywire due to circumstances beyond our control, but it is how we learn from our past mistakes that takes us where we want to go collectively.
What matters is what the members want. If the members want one club, then we should get together with each other and make it happen for them, or they can do it for us
If the members still want two clubs, then we can strive to become clubs in friendship and not competitor's.
Initially, I thought SLASH forming was the greatest thing for our area, but after watching the tensions rise and seeing members alienated from one or both clubs for whatever reason, I decided that I was part of the problem. Now, I want it known that I am part of the solution, which is to do whatever it takes to make our two clubs function together somehow as one super club.
If we can look towards the future with a calm and cooperative spirit, there is nothing we can not do. Our resources in one club would be extraordinary. We can offer different venues and meeting times for members as they wish. We are only limited by our own personalities and unwillingness to do what is best for the saltwater hobbyists in our area.
I think the SEASL leaders are willing to look at this positively and as SLASH leaders, we should too. Sometimes, things go haywire due to circumstances beyond our control, but it is how we learn from our past mistakes that takes us where we want to go collectively.
What matters is what the members want. If the members want one club, then we should get together with each other and make it happen for them, or they can do it for us
If the members still want two clubs, then we can strive to become clubs in friendship and not competitor's.Initially, I thought SLASH forming was the greatest thing for our area, but after watching the tensions rise and seeing members alienated from one or both clubs for whatever reason, I decided that I was part of the problem. Now, I want it known that I am part of the solution, which is to do whatever it takes to make our two clubs function together somehow as one super club.
If we can look towards the future with a calm and cooperative spirit, there is nothing we can not do. Our resources in one club would be extraordinary. We can offer different venues and meeting times for members as they wish. We are only limited by our own personalities and unwillingness to do what is best for the saltwater hobbyists in our area.
capncapo
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Becky,
Bygones are bygones. They were when this club was formed.
From what I'm reading this is all leading to the idea of having a single club in St. Louis again.
I have no desire to be a member of the only club in town that does as the board sees fit without considering the opinions of the membership or a "face to face" club that can't seem to do club business on the net. For that matter I have no desire to be a member of one that purports to now have the facility for electronic voting but has yet to change their bylaws to allow for such a thing to happen. It has been about 6 months since your post stating that you now have the ability to vote electronically which should have been ample time to get your bylaws changed. Remember, that's a big part of the reason for the two clubs.
I like parties but even with as much as I llike parties, I like what SLASH represents even more.
If you want to have a joint party I see no reason why it can't be done but if you're talking about merging clubs I see no reason for it.
Bygones are bygones. They were when this club was formed.
From what I'm reading this is all leading to the idea of having a single club in St. Louis again.
I have no desire to be a member of the only club in town that does as the board sees fit without considering the opinions of the membership or a "face to face" club that can't seem to do club business on the net. For that matter I have no desire to be a member of one that purports to now have the facility for electronic voting but has yet to change their bylaws to allow for such a thing to happen. It has been about 6 months since your post stating that you now have the ability to vote electronically which should have been ample time to get your bylaws changed. Remember, that's a big part of the reason for the two clubs.
I like parties but even with as much as I llike parties, I like what SLASH represents even more.
If you want to have a joint party I see no reason why it can't be done but if you're talking about merging clubs I see no reason for it.
rams
ramtheory
I am trying to get caught up on these threads and at least read them twice before deciding to post. One thing I don’t understand is the claim that SEASL members and SLASH members don’t get along. Except for a select few and you know who you are. I have had no problems with anyone and have tried my best to hear what everyone has to say. I have never been contacted by a SEASL board member about anything business. Heck I am friends with a SEASL board member Goalie “Tomâ€Â. “Shocking I know†Believe it or not capo hasn’t made me jump off the plank because of it.
As far as a get together between those who deem themselves SEASL and or SLASH. Doesn’t matter to me.
As far as there being one club in Saint Louis. Not going to happen. There will always be some who won't want it. There will always be another club.
As far as a get together between those who deem themselves SEASL and or SLASH. Doesn’t matter to me.
As far as there being one club in Saint Louis. Not going to happen. There will always be some who won't want it. There will always be another club.
rams
ramtheory
You know I thought about it. This is stupid that people are actually playing up that there is a war going on between membership. I agree that the two boards need to respect each other and work together so there are two working clubs that have nothing against each other. Bring the membership into this is just wrong.
McBeck if you would like to keep a working conversation please feel free to use the group PM feature here on reef central and notify the full board of any intentions. Taunting Greg is not going to get anywhere.
McBeck if you would like to keep a working conversation please feel free to use the group PM feature here on reef central and notify the full board of any intentions. Taunting Greg is not going to get anywhere.
Goalie66
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Once again I miss a good thread! I personally am friends with members of both clubs and for the most part I really think they do different things, yes sometimes they are the same but that is not bad either. I wold like to see one forum but don't have any problem with 2 clubs, in fact I think the "members" really benefit from it as they have more choices each month, of course as long as they happen on different days. Kinda like Chicago having 2 baseball teams. Being an officer of SEASL and going to SLASH events I would think I would have saw this "bickering" or at least been a part of it! LOL! I think that statement is blown a little out of proportion. I would like to see some mutual events take place as I would like to meet myself. I heard I'm very cool and quite the looker.
Peace out,
Tom
Kinda like Chicago having 2 baseball teams. Being an officer of SEASL and going to SLASH events I would think I would have saw this "bickering" or at least been a part of it! LOL! I think that statement is blown a little out of proportion. I would like to see some mutual events take place as I would like to meet myself. I heard I'm very cool and quite the looker. Peace out,
Tom
StupidsReef
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Well done and well put indeed sirreal63. I could not have said it better myself.
This club was started in the purpose of trying to get more people together as a group/club, do more things, be more a part of LFS, and each other.
I am not on the board of SLASH! But my opinion is this... The other club was in a rut, no new Ideas, going the same direction. Lot of people wanted change, but change was not something they wanted.
With the start of SLASH, the other club as become more susceptible to change which in turn is good! Having two clubs in the St. Louis Area is not a bad thing, it’s a GREAT Thing.
Same for you Lonnie, Well said.
I have read and reread this thread, and this is what I as a MEMBER of BOTH club's have to say. I left one club to join another due to the politic's that I wittiness taking place. I feel that I made a better move even though I still can't make every meeting with SLASH I'm able to make some of them. My voice is heard as is everyone's. I will not sit and watch this club be torn apart by childish events or pointing of the finger he said she said BS. I have yet to be at a meeting and fine anyone rude to someone because they were NOT a Slash member therefor I don't believe that there are any hurt feelings. And it was stated that "What matters is what the members want" this could not be better said, Nor can it be any further proved simply by the start and growth of this club ( this club as in SLASH). I think what Ramtheory stated is correct : "This is stupid that people are actually PLAYING up that there is a war going on between membership. " Who is upset that there are two club?? I'd like to know. And for Mc beck's statement, it is an attitude like that which show's your true intentions (and those of us who have been here before Slash was formed understand what I mean) that will keep me from SEALS. I'll end this stating my claim, I will not, I am NOT interested in, Nor do I wish to become/merge with SEALS. I do not want the politic's nor all the banding's or to be ignored for voicing my opinion's. However that does not mean I dislike the member's of SEALS.
Stupid.
This club was started in the purpose of trying to get more people together as a group/club, do more things, be more a part of LFS, and each other.
I am not on the board of SLASH! But my opinion is this... The other club was in a rut, no new Ideas, going the same direction. Lot of people wanted change, but change was not something they wanted.
With the start of SLASH, the other club as become more susceptible to change which in turn is good! Having two clubs in the St. Louis Area is not a bad thing, it’s a GREAT Thing.
Same for you Lonnie, Well said.
I have read and reread this thread, and this is what I as a MEMBER of BOTH club's have to say. I left one club to join another due to the politic's that I wittiness taking place. I feel that I made a better move even though I still can't make every meeting with SLASH I'm able to make some of them. My voice is heard as is everyone's. I will not sit and watch this club be torn apart by childish events or pointing of the finger he said she said BS. I have yet to be at a meeting and fine anyone rude to someone because they were NOT a Slash member therefor I don't believe that there are any hurt feelings. And it was stated that "What matters is what the members want" this could not be better said, Nor can it be any further proved simply by the start and growth of this club ( this club as in SLASH). I think what Ramtheory stated is correct : "This is stupid that people are actually PLAYING up that there is a war going on between membership. " Who is upset that there are two club?? I'd like to know. And for Mc beck's statement, it is an attitude like that which show's your true intentions (and those of us who have been here before Slash was formed understand what I mean) that will keep me from SEALS. I'll end this stating my claim, I will not, I am NOT interested in, Nor do I wish to become/merge with SEALS. I do not want the politic's nor all the banding's or to be ignored for voicing my opinion's. However that does not mean I dislike the member's of SEALS.
Stupid.
capncapo
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I see these forums as a way of getting members and I'm sure you do too.
I see NO way for two clubs to share a single forum. It would definitely cause problems. I think the best thing to do is to leave things the way they are. It has worked for 9 months now and can continue to do so despite all of the "perceived problems" which I still fail to see.
I see NO way for two clubs to share a single forum. It would definitely cause problems. I think the best thing to do is to leave things the way they are. It has worked for 9 months now and can continue to do so despite all of the "perceived problems" which I still fail to see.
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