Is this aiptasia?

[dleko]

I have been unable to log in for a few days because my job has kept me busy.

Richard, thank you for taking the time to help ID this animal. You have been very helpful.

Ladyshark, I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.

hdtran, I have learned a lot from your posts, they are most informative.

Mammoth, as I can appreciate some of your points, I was offended by the "tone of voice" with Richard. Sharing opinions are one thing, insulting is another.

We all ask for opinions on this forum, but we also can do research ourselves to get answers. I ask question here to help me make a decision, not to have someone do it for me.

The unknown creature has not moved at all. So far, I am going to let stay, and keep an eye on him.

 

[tonyh67]

From the first picture it looks like the Sponge Anemone listed in P. Humann's Reef Ident. book.

 

[ladyshark]

I've got a small one too--so far, no movement at all and not on a stalk. I will be following closely -- it can stay until the first sign of trouble, then.........

 

[hdtran]

Tonyh67,

If you have the P. Humann book (again, not available in local stores or libraries for me), would you terribly object to scanning & posting the appropriate picture? If no scanner is available, a good digital camera is actually a decent substitute for a scanner.

Thanks!

 

[hdtran]

Mammoth,

There are many photos of A. pallida on the net, and all but the one at reefcorner look reasonably alike. I don't think your anemone (or dleko's) is A. pallida.

I have not seen photos of A. tagetes. If you don't have access to a scanner in the library, a good digital camera can actually take an amazingly good picture of a book page.

 

[Ancient Storm]

Mammoth, I ordered TBS live rock from Richard a couple months ago and had a few of the same anenomes that you show. after two months they haven't grown or multiplied. What's the big deal, too difficult to find the time to yank em out with some tongs after 8 months? TBS has the best LR I've seen as far as life and color. If you don't like it....don't buy it....Leaves more TBS rock for us ! Oh ....by the way ...little too over dramatic about these anenomes Just my opinion

 

[tonyh67]

Hy...I have a scanner and will get the image up asap, I have been too busy lately to do much image work. Be it posting of my own photos and other.

FYI, I bought my set of Reef Id books at Cathy Church's in Grand Caymen.

 

[Nataku]

I agree TBS has some of the best LR you can buy. But, there website is quite amateurish. Perhaps, they can add pictures / information on what's on the Rocks Good / Bad.

Richard, any thoughts ? You can probably contact someone to redo your website for free - "Rocks for website". It would make things much easier that to reply to all the individual emails. Just a thought

 

[->L<- REEF]

This post is in response to the new comer's of this thread and the peeps that say thier Aiptasias havent replicated. You can't say that they havent replicated because all TBS shipments come with peppermint shrimp and they will eat the smaller ones first ( more than likely unseen to the naked eye). Further more you havent followed this thred or the last one concerning this subject closly enough to even realize the issue is not whether these Aiptasia are good or bad, the issue is IDing them properly. Ancient rock, if you pull them out with tongs you will only break them up and cause faster replication theyspawn by fragments of themself, if you read the whole thread you would have seen Mammoth doesnt want to pull them out of his tank he is simply lookin for an educated person to properly ID these Aiptasia. I keep saying Aiptasia cause thats what they are, peppermint shrimp eat Aiptasia not Curly Que, Glass, Candycane, or Lightbulb anemones. All of which these aiptasia have been called by Richard himself in these two threads. The peppermint shrimp have devoured them in my tank but not mammoth's, thats because Mammoth's tank is a FOT with no shrimp or natrual predators to these aiptasia. In fact the orignal aiptasia in mammoth's tank was put there by me off my TBS rock to give them the right conditions to replicate, and replicate they did! To the point now that there is over 12 of them in less than 9 months from the starting point of one on a very small piece of rock they have traveled all over the tank as they replicated another common trait of aiptasia. As far has the Tone OF Voice " Ladyshark" thats the sound of confusion and frustration being heard because Richard will not address this issue properly. Rather than just saying yup these are aiptasia and thats why we give you peppermint shrimp, he has Id'd the aiptasia as everything but aiptasia and said they are good guys. Who the F cares if they are good or bad anyway the mantis shrimp that came on my rock did way more damage than the aiptasia have! And i still like my rock better than any other
One more thing Richard started the whole offending thing by callin Mammoth Mamouth, prolly cause he knows what we are saying is true and he dont want any reason for people not to buy his rock, i dont care what on the rock i would buy it again and again and recommend it, i just know now how to deal with the un wanted hitch hikers, somthin i wish i knew when i got it. so now all the people that have told Mammoth he is being to dramatic or hostile i am ready for the same tounge lashing.

 

[weedhopper]

sounds good to me

 

[Abominable Reefer]

I think Richard is being pretty cool considering somebody has been calling him "Dick" through the entire thread. That's totally uncalled for.

If you're convinced it's Aiptasia then so be it. It's Aiptasia. Now get on with your life. I wouldn't lose too much sleep trying to convince everybody that your ID is correct, or that TBS is trying to scam everybody.

 

[->L<- REEF]

Dick is short for Richard, not dick as in @$%* Head, I havent lost any sleep at all. Im even willing to give Richard (Dick) the benefit of the doubt. Lets say he has responded in the way that he has because he's not for sure what it is himself, that would be fine too, just say so, but to make vague responses and Id them differantly every time isnt helpin the situation any, if anything its worse and creating the Im hiding somthin atmosphere. I personally dont care whats on the rock and have said its a great product, im responding to the peeps that are not seeing the whole big picture and jumping in here to to lash out and say we are being hostile and too dramatic, when actually we are trying to have a constructive dialog to figure out what species of Aiptasia we are dealing with to help educate us and other people. Mammoth has posted some of his research and i have done my own. In the first thread Richard said that Aiptasia cannot be found in his geographic location at all, when in reality Aiptasia in general are found in that area more than anywhere else, or at least according to the field guides they are. So if anybody has some hard data, or research on these aiptasia we want it. If you want to come lash out at us cause we are frustrated and confused by the vague responses we have got from the one person that we feel really does know what it is and be able to back it up with some facts and data, then you are no better than us, and you should get over YOURSELF!

 

[Mammoth]

I wouldn't lose too much sleep trying to convince everybody that your ID is correct,

I love it when people read things into my posts.

The only thing I've tried to convince *anoybody* of, is to participate and help with the ID of this creature. I've been very clear that I DON'T KNOW either. I just hoped a few people would think outside of Richard's non-existent ID. A few did, and maybe we'll keep going until we know...everyone else wants to treat me as a heretic for questioning beyond "good guy/bad guy".


Everyone together now...on Richard's lead...."4 legs good, 2 legs bad".

 

[Abominable Reefer]

Don't start flaming me now.

Why are you surprised when people say you are lashing out and being dramatic? Remeber this started with remarks like this:

Richard, you're full of crap

That doesn't sound like a call for help and it's certainly not "constructive dialog". Neither is telling me to 'get over myself'.

When I said:

If you're convinced it's Aiptasia then so be it. It's Aiptasia.

I wanted to point out that you guys aren't recruiting a whole lot of help here by flaming anybody that doesn't tell you what you want to hear. I never lashed out at you, and now you're flaming me too. Keep it civil and you'll probably have more luck.

 

[->L<- REEF]

abominable, you read the entire contents of both threads? Maybe you should. Not just these two pages. There is another whole thread.

 

[Abominable Reefer]

Final word man, don't flame everybody and you'll get more help from people. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Mammoth]

Final word man, don't flame everybody and you'll get more help from people. That's all I'm saying.

OK, go post that in the "how to be polite" forum. We're discussing anemone's in this one. Distractions like yours and the others, completey unrelated to the anemones aren't helpful. You are all WAY too interested in ME.

For those interested in the anemone here is another reference. Not a good one, but someone asked for one regarding tagetes.

http://www.bsu.edu/eft/ecosystems/carib2.html

 

[hdtran]

Folks,

Let's all get along politely here, please?

>L<, they sure don't look like the aiptasias in the LFS. They may well be a caribbean variety (LFS tends to carry I/P rock), but they don't look like photos of A. pallida on the web.

Mammoth says he thinks they're A. tagetes, and he has seen something in a field guide, which I don't have access to. I'm sure Mammoth will post a photo as soon as he can.

Tonyh67 says that it looks like the 'sponge anemone', and will scan when he gets less busy with work.

If you visit the gulf-view website, you'll see pictures of this guy given the common name 'light bulb anemone.'

I gave a tentative ID of 'curlycue' a long time ago, because of the rings on the tentacles, but I would much prefer a latin description.

Personal note to all--on the internet, you have to be very careful with your written tone of voice, as body language, etc. don't come thru. You can disagree politely. I've disagreed with Richard w/r/t the use of a plenum, or the appellation of the "Donkey D*ng" cucumber, but we keep it civil. I like this forum because folks here tend to appear nice. Let's all keep it that way.

Thanks!

 

[hdtran]

>L<,

I'd like to comment re: peppermint shrimp: They are not obligate Aiptasia feeders (unlike Berghia nudibranchs). Peppermint shrimp eat anything, and have the reputation of being willing to eat Aiptasia anemones (ref. about.com website). They are also a cleaner type shrimp, but don't clean as much as, say L. amboinensis (somebody check my spelling).

My peppermint shrimps hang in the back of the tank, and swarm out when I feed the tank. They snarf fish food (and will steal it out from coral). They may well pick at anemones, corals, or sponges when I'm not looking.

Hy

 

[gregt]

Guys, let's keep the name calling and foul language OUT of the discussion. Ok?

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