Is this ich or velvet !!!

[PCguy21]

I keep losing fish... please help me.

I have a yellow tang with clear ich on him big white spots all over abd hyposalinity saved him spots dropped off ina week and never came back and he started eating like nad..... but this naso tang and other fish look different.

A few large white spots but the rest doesnt look like ich to me.

But i cant tell. Im doing hypo in the tank but he was in the tank before hypo started so he got whatever is in the tank... Im at my whits end here if i lose him.. i think im done eith the hobby sslt water is becoming more of a chore and money pit then a fun hobby.

Please help me. If this is ich thrn hypo should work to clear him up like it did my yellow tang... but if its velvet.. there goes ANOTHER 80$ i cant do this anymore...

 

[charlie_Fish]

I keep losing fish... please help me.

I have a yellow tang with clear ich on him big white spots all over abd hyposalinity saved him spots dropped off ina week and never came back and he started eating like nad..... but this naso tang and other fish look different.

A few large white spots but the rest doesnt look like ich to me.

But i cant tell. Im doing hypo in the tank but he was in the tank before hypo started so he got whatever is in the tank... Im at my whits end here if i lose him.. i think im done eith the hobby sslt water is becoming more of a chore and money pit then a fun hobby.

Please help me. If this is ich thrn hypo should work to clear him up like it did my yellow tang... but if its velvet.. there goes ANOTHER 80$ i cant do this anymore...

I'm no expert but I think it's velvet mine had a bunch of white dots on em aswell

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[PCguy21]

It doesnt look like ich to me... Ich is like big white dots they come and go.. but this just covers my angels and tangs and its driving me insaine.. and it never creats raised big white spots.. it just looks like this.


Ive been dealing with this for 4 months now... im seriously about to just tesr my tank down and quit.. thousands invested to be beaten by this...

 

[HumbleFish]

White spots caused by ich trophonts are usually more here & there. Anytime you say a fish is "covered" in white dots, that usually means you are dealing with velvet: https://humble.fish/velvet/

 

[PCguy21]

I next day ordered cupramine and the test kit for it... Can i dose cupramine with hypo at 1.08 to 1.09 ? I dont plan to do .50ppm but i was thinking more .25ppm like you would fresh water dosage ?

 

[HumbleFish]

I next day ordered cupramine and the test kit for it... Can i dose cupramine with hypo at 1.08 to 1.09 ? I dont plan to do .50ppm but i was thinking more .25ppm like you would fresh water dosage ?

I would start raising your SG. The main issue is you need to buffer your pH while doing hypo, and the presence of copper will interfere with liquid test kits.

 

[PCguy21]

Well based on my pics what do you think it is ? See whats weird is my yellow tang gets big white dots like all over him.. then they fall off later in the day. The naso is just on him 24.7 and they are more milky colored.. but i dunno if thats his slime coat or velvet ??

Its so hard to diagnose this because if its ich ill stick with hypo as it worked when i tested it on my yellow tang.. id rather not dose copper if i dont have too.

Im driving myself insaine...

What would you do if this were your tank based on the picture i showed in my first post ? Would you continue with hypo im on the 3rd day and i noticed after day 5 or 6 ich didnt come backcon my tabg in the 5g tank i tested it on. Or would you raise the salinity and use cupramine.

I just hate to stop hypo on day 3 and see if it works by day 5.. but id hate to keep waiting if it truely is velvet and lose my naso tang. Hes still eating alot and he has had it for 3 days now.. i figured if it was velvet woulfnt he be dead by now i dunno ...

 

[HumbleFish]

I think it's possible your fish have both ich & velvet, and would treat with copper. Hypo most likely suppresses velvet to a certain extent, but not indefinitely.

 

[PCguy21]

Thats what i was thinking.. is it possible for a tang like my yellow tang to never get velvet but gets ich instead same with my foxface? Because hes the onky one keeping me from going....( ok its velvet) because they dont get it..

 

[PCguy21]

Ok i dosed the cupramine but im doing half doses based on what ppl online said.. so 10 drops vs 10 drops.. for my 135g tabk ( yes im doing my main tank.. I have no corals ijverts ect in it.. just a bunch of sand and my live rock.. but onky 50 lbs of rock.. I have another 80 lbs coming in the mail. Along with beneficial bacteria in a gallon jug if u need it.


I did 10 drops per 10.5g which equals 136 gallons... so 130 drops total but upon testing it it looks like its more at .25ppm when it should be at .12 or so. Its deff not even close to .10 heck it looks closer to .3... That makes no sense

What does thks look like to you ?

 

[HumbleFish]

Looks around 0.3 to me. However, it will probably drop close to zero once the rock/sand starts absorbing the copper.

 

[PCguy21]

Weird how its that high when i did half the dose... i did 10 drops per 10g... why do you figure its at .3 hrmm.. well ill check it tomorrow again.

Whats the min to keep the copper at for velvet ?

 

[PCguy21]

Oh and my corals all like 40 of them are in a 20 long. That tsnk is sitting next to my 135.. like 4 inches away.. Its about 2 feet down though. Can velvet.ich go from that tank while it runs fallow to my 135 ? Or should i move that tank downstairs or something ? I just dont have much room to put this tank anywhere.. It has no bubbles. And nothing really breaks the water surfsce i have a 425 koralia pump in it kinda pointed up to move the surface but thats it.. and 90% of the tank is covered with my t5 light fixture.

What do you think ?

And again what should i keep cupramine at ?

My two tanks have damsels. Chromis. Flame hawk. Naso tang. Yellow tang. Foxface. And a singapore angel. The angel is the one im worried about using copper on. I hear alot of stories that copper dosing kills more fish then velvet does lol and im still doing hypo atm.

Im debating on raising it up slowely now though.. or keeping it where its at and dosing copper to only .3 or .4 max.. i dunno its just a mess

 

[ThRoewer]

Thats what i was thinking.. is it possible for a tang like my yellow tang to never get velvet but gets ich instead same with my foxface? Because hes the onky one keeping me from going....( ok its velvet) because they dont get it..

Some fish might be immune to one parasite but not the other while others are immune to all. I've seen systems where velvet, brook, and ich occurred at once, yet not every fish had everything and a good number seemed completely unaffected. It all depends if they had survived a previous contact with a parasite.

 

[PCguy21]

Well i just hope dosing copper doesnt kill my foxface and yellow tang and flsmehawk.. because all 3 never get this velvet if it is velvet.. Flame gets nothing.. foxface gets an ich spot or two in the morning thst falls off.. thr yellow tang gets covered in ich that hypo cured in my test tank.. but never gets velvet.. But this naso tang and angelfish and other tangs ive tried get riddled with these tiny white dots and die quuckly.. the naso though seems to be handling it pretty well... day 5 is approaching and hes still eating just fine. So i dunno if this is velvet or a really bad case of ich.

But i think its both like the other guy said

 

[PCguy21]

Well its been 5 days in hypo. Only 1 night with copper.. my naso tang is looking alot better. His body isnt as milky covered whichcim guessing was his slime coat and the white spots seem to be not as drastic as before.

Day 5 is about the time i noticed my yellow tang losing sll his cysts snd thrm never coming back in the tank i tested hypo on. Which makes me wonder if this is actuslly just a really bad case of ich and not velvet.

I dosed more copper today. It looks like its around .4 almost .5 now. So im going to let it sit for 48 hrs and see if the levels drop or not and if they do i guess ill need to figure out how many drops to msintain .35 to .4.

I dont care about my rock or sand absorbing the copper.. sand is cheap so is rock. And i hsve 80 lbs of rock coming. Well 40 lbs came today.. So once im all done with this ill use csrbon amd cuprisorb for 2 or 3 weeks while i monitor my fish and ill put in some sacrificsl snails and corals to see if its ok.

Anyway... one thing at a time. I have two peoppe in my head telling me different things.. one says to keep doing copper and hypo together.. one says to stop copper and do hypo and see what happens.. specially since day 5 seems to match along with hypo previously.

Decisions...

One fish i know seems to not like hypo is my royal gramma. He doesnt come out and hes bresthing rather slowly.. i can turn the rock hes on and he moves hes just hiding in the holes... so i dont think grammas csn handle hypo.. which makes me wanna raise the salinity but my gut says to screw thst fish snd keep pushing to eliminate this once and for all

 

[ThRoewer]

Grammas should handle hypo just fine, but they don't like stress and tend to hide. That he is breathing slowly is actually a sign that he isn't in distress.

Spots going away after 5 days in hypo would be in line with ick.
Also, ick can look quite different on different kinds of fish depending on their skin and slimecoat.

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[PCguy21]

2 days in copper levels are .35 right now to .4 and all my fish but the naso tang have stopped eating. My foxface his belly is shrunken in and he isnt swiming like he used too. Yellow tang hasnt eaten for 2 days either.

All the fish look alot better using hypo.. should i just stop the cupramine and see if they start eating again and just continue with hypo ? Its been almost 7 days in hypo now and all my tangs are still alive so im starting to think this isnt velvet. Even my signapore angel is doing fine. I put him in 2 days after hypo and he only got a few spots here and there but nothing major and today hes nearly clear.

If this were velvet shouldnt i have a bunch of dead tangs and a dead angelfish ? I mesn normally i would if i wasnt doing hypo but i dunno..

If anything the copper is making things worse with 80% of my fish not eating anymore

 

[Spar]

2 days in copper levels are .35 right now to .4 and all my fish but the naso tang have stopped eating. My foxface his belly is shrunken in and he isnt swiming like he used too. Yellow tang hasnt eaten for 2 days either.

All the fish look alot better using hypo.. should i just stop the cupramine and see if they start eating again and just continue with hypo ? Its been almost 7 days in hypo now and all my tangs are still alive so im starting to think this isnt velvet. Even my signapore angel is doing fine. I put him in 2 days after hypo and he only got a few spots here and there but nothing major and today hes nearly clear.

If this were velvet shouldnt i have a bunch of dead tangs and a dead angelfish ? I mesn normally i would if i wasnt doing hypo but i dunno..

If anything the copper is making things worse with 80% of my fish not eating anymore

Have you considered switching to CP? I just ordered some to help with my current bout of Velvet. Seems to be much easier on the fish than copper from what I have read. And seemingly more effective.

 

[PCguy21]

No because i dunno where to get it... i put carbon and cuprisorb in my tank this morning.. copper is syill at .25 ppm... I couldnt do big watsr changes because prime is toxic with it..

I just came home and my foxface was limp buried in the sand.... i scooped him out quickly and put him in my 5 gallon tank... hes going camo right now and breathing really heavy.... i hope he doesnt die.

Its like im damned if i do.. damned if i dont.. and copper probsnly killed my foxface.... Im pretty upset... im draining half the water out of ny main tank.. atm..

This is just such bs man... against my better judgement i once again made a bad decision i knew i should have just kept doing hypo