Is this vekvet or ich... tired of losing fish..

[PCguy21]

I saved our big yellow tang attempting hypo in a 5g tank hes alive.. parasite free eating like mad.. so i just dropped the display tank down to do hypo.. all corals are out.. but prior to me doing this my kole tang is probsbly going to die from this infestation i have..

It keeps killing tangs. Angels. Butterfly fish ect..

I just cant tellif this is ich or velvet... I see spots all over my fish but i dunno.... it killed a coral beauty in 2 days of introduction... and this kole tang has made it only 4 to 5 days tops. This has been going on for months. Im down to not fish now cept damsels and blennies that never catch it..

So i need help to id this please... If hypo worked on my yellow tang im assuming its icj.. but who knows maybe i have ich and velvet.

 

[pauljcooke]

Looks like a severe case of I ich to me...I had this in a 500 l, steadily got worse and worse (I hoped fish would fight it off)...the fallow treatment ( as annoying as it was) cured it for me and now I have restocked

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[PCguy21]

Okay thanks. Then im going to continue with hypo. I have 4 fish left onky my fox and flame hawk i care about salt lvl is at 1.014 now.. later today ill drop it down to 1.08

This sucks !!!

Oddly this little guy is still alive i hope he makes it but i doubt it.. sigh.. i hate parasites

 

[capecodder]

that sucks man... I got frustrated with this for a while.
I got saltwater tanks with the idea that I always wanted and emperor angel, but always had health problems with them... Finally decided to just go with things that were more hardy. In the long run I've enjoyed the hobby a lot more...
The wrasse (currently tusk fish and bird). The yellow and flame angels... clowns... Wrasse are really entertaining, colorful and hardy. I've been considering one butterfly too add a bit more color, but I'm pretty happy with the color variety of my fish, their behavior and hardiness. I've only lost 1 fish in a looong time now. It was a clown fish who fell into my overflow as he'd sleep right next to it.

... I know this doesn't help you much right now, but if you need to do some restocking, I'd seriously consider this route as my frustrations with my tank are gone.

 

[tvu]

Personally I'd QT with copper. It takes care of ich or velvet.

I've done this with my past 20 fish and things have been great. Also I do a couple rounds of Prazi just in case.


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[PCguy21]

that sucks man... I got frustrated with this for a while.
I got saltwater tanks with the idea that I always wanted and emperor angel, but always had health problems with them... Finally decided to just go with things that were more hardy. In the long run I've enjoyed the hobby a lot more...
The wrasse (currently tusk fish and bird). The yellow and flame angels... clowns... Wrasse are really entertaining, colorful and hardy. I've been considering one butterfly too add a bit more color, but I'm pretty happy with the color variety of my fish, their behavior and hardiness. I've only lost 1 fish in a looong time now. It was a clown fish who fell into my overflow as he'd sleep right next to it.

... I know this doesn't help you much right now, but if you need to do some restocking, I'd seriously consider this route as my frustrations with my tank are gone.

Well that was my mentality in my 55g hexagon.. I found a bunch of fish resistsnt to ich... Damsels.. all damsels are resistsnt to it.. green chromis.. flame hawks. Lawn mower scooter blennies.. i had a 6 line but he got ich. Oddly i noticed my flame angel was resistsnt as well he never got ich while others would die from it in days... but my friend killed my flame angel and i never got a new one

Royal gramma is semi resistsnt but he still gets it and succumbs it just takes a long time for him... But i dont want tiny fish like damsels all the time... And since i moved to my 135g i want something big and nice looking in here..


Frustrating as hell. And in a rampage yesturday i broke all my corals off my rocks and tossed em in a 20 long i bought and dropped my salinity to 1.014 today ill go to 1.08.. so far ammonia is 0 still.

I just want it gone.. ive been losing fish for 3 months.. cant keep buying 20 30 40 50 dollar fish and hope they can be resistant to it and they die.. i wanna cry sometimes... you know ?

Thrn i get so sngry i wanna smash my tank... or give up.. but i have too much invested to give up and i dont quit..

I tried curpamine but its hard to manage ammonia and it in a emoty qt... so i ttied it in my 30g display and it jacked that tsnk up so bad... So like i said i tested hypo in a established 5g and it worked.. and only had a slight ammonia spike and thats it

 

[houstonreefer]

Please let us know the result of your treatment.

 

[pauljcooke]

Okay thanks. Then im going to continue with hypo. I have 4 fish left onky my fox and flame hawk i care about salt lvl is at 1.014 now.. later today ill drop it down to 1.08

This sucks !!!

Oddly this little guy is still alive i hope he makes it but i doubt it.. sigh.. i hate parasites

All I had left was a flame and two chromis. They are bullet proof....lost tangs, Anthias, a fox wrasses and a bluethroat trigger
You could throw the flamehawk off a cliff and he wouldn't die...


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[2_zoa]

The only fish that are resistant are healthy fish.

You need to understand proper QT. Practice and follow it to the letter. Period. Don’t post like you know what is and isn’t resistant to ich and ask for help at the same time.

 

[PCguy21]

Well i do know what is and isnt lol go online and do some simple reseach and youll find hawkfish and damsels blennies and some gobies are highely resistant to it. Due to their slime coats. And tangs angels snd butterflies are the least resilient to it.. its common knowledge.. Im not doubting health and stress plays a role.. but so does the species of fish lol.

Or do you deny that a fish built to withstsnd disease better with scales and thick slime isnt anymore resilient then a tang with no scales and a thin slime coat...

Ill post whatever i dsmn well please ? What is with the attitude ? How about you dont post in my thread simple ? When i first started 6 months i didnt know about marine ich or velvet or brook. This is all a hard learning process.. Im betting most everyone has gone through it when they first started


Regardless im doing hypo in my main tanks. And from now im QT all new fish with hypo before they go in my tanks. Im not gonna deal with ich anymore

 

[2_zoa]

No I don't have an attitude. I simply spoke short and to the point. My input was to get you to think differently instead of thinking you know everything. Your other threads and your responses in those show your motives. I'm sure your response to this will not be anything less than several snide remarks as well.

You can QT your fish from now till eternity if you'd like. That's your time and efforts not mine. If you don't take the proper precautions to never introduce the parasite in the first place. You will always have ich in your tanks and it will only be a matter of time before it shows itself in your systems.
Every piece of live rock, snail, shrimp, crab, coral........that you put into your already running systems will harbor ich. Unless you know for a fact that those purchases came from a truly ich free system. Objects and other creatures are carriers of the parasite. Read up on the life cycle to understand the parasite more. Also remember, just because a fish doesn't show visible signs doesn't mean that they are not infected. It just means you can't see it.

Now I'll grant your wish and not post in your thread any more.
Good luck.

 

[Uncle99]

Okay thanks. Then im going to continue with hypo. I have 4 fish left onky my fox and flame hawk i care about salt lvl is at 1.014 now.. later today ill drop it down to 1.08

This sucks !!!

Oddly this little guy is still alive i hope he makes it but i doubt it.. sigh.. i hate parasites

Ick cannot tolerate low salinity because it screws with their ability to process water. It can take it in but can't expel it as normal, thus the parasite explodes literally. This process kills them permanently.

If you salinity is 1.008 - 1.009, you should see a remarkable change in 4-7 days.

Continue hypo for 14 more days after last spot gone, then another week bringing salinity up .001 per day until you reach normal salinity for your application.

Copper will work but is hard on tangs and it's simply not as effective as hypo for this parasite. While there are some stronger strains which elude copper, this parasite cannot elude hypo...

 

[pauljcooke]

that sucks man... I got frustrated with this for a while.
I got saltwater tanks with the idea that I always wanted and emperor angel, but always had health problems with them... Finally decided to just go with things that were more hardy. In the long run I've enjoyed the hobby a lot more...
The wrasse (currently tusk fish and bird). The yellow and flame angels... clowns... Wrasse are really entertaining, colorful and hardy. I've been considering one butterfly too add a bit more color, but I'm pretty happy with the color variety of my fish, their behavior and hardiness. I've only lost 1 fish in a looong time now. It was a clown fish who fell into my overflow as he'd sleep right next to it.

... I know this doesn't help you much right now, but if you need to do some restocking, I'd seriously consider this route as my frustrations with my tank are gone.

I agree, hardy fish all the way. Despite going fallow and quarantining all my fish thereafter, ich still crept back in via a sailfin tang who is fighting ich now as we speak. If it gets too bad I'll move him out...and replace with something bullet proof.

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[PCguy21]

Well im on week 2 now with hypo at 1.08 it was at 1.07 for a bit too and didnt seem to affect my fish but im keeping it at 1.08 to 1.09

I check daily with my refractometer and brs refracto juice. Although tbh with 135 gallons even a gallon or two of evap or added water does nothing to lower or raise salinity.. takes 1.4 of a tank to even drop to 1.06 from 1.08 so its easily managable.


Ich fell off all my fish in 4-6 days and its been 8 or so days since and i havent seen a single spot show up on any of my tangs or other fish. I saved my yellow tang from death..he got skinny from not eating due to ich... but now hes ich free and eats flakes nori and mysis.. i feed them 4 times a day i need him to gain weight. Did a 50% water change and sand bed clesning the first week.. need to probly do another one here soon. I found bout 10 cups of salt from 50% brings it back to 1.08.

Im so glad this is working..

But i dont think ima stop after 2 or 3 weeks like you mentioned. Ich can last 72 days in cyst form.. so i think ill do this for 8-10 weeks at least to be sure. I read thats about the max safe you cs
An for hypo.

All my corals inverts and urchins are in a 20 gallon tank going fallow for 80 days. Right now its on almost 3 weeks.


To respond to 2 zoas comments. I know rock corals ect can bring ich back.. but i dont plan to buy corals and stuff and toss them in my tank.. any snail. Coral sea urchin.. clam.. whatever i buy.. its going into my 20g long and its gokng to be fallow for 72 days before i put it in my tank. Which means when i buy the snails and corals i need to buy thrm in one chunk wait 72 days then put em in my system and not buy anything else until i do.

In fact since hypo is working so well i cheated i went out and bought the fish i wanted for my tank. Powder brown tang. An anthias. A fairy wrasse and a couple others.. it started my clock over again but they and my other fish are doing great.. this way i can go hypo on all my fish i want and never have to buy fish again unless something dies down the road in which case ill qt the new fish and medicate or hypo accordingly.

All i know is its working and i got 8-10 more weeks of hypo to do.. and i hope to god its gone by then