Italy's Best! Matured SPS Aquariums.
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So all I need to is not feed as often. I have 320 gal tank, which still bring me to 3/4 of a 15ml cube. I will made another patch without the Amino Acids. As far as fresh seafood that is not possible here in Idaho. So I am stuck with frozen. I think now we are get so where. As least we are making ground on how the Italians do it. I do appreciate the advice.
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Lead
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Lead
As I logged off, I got to thinking that I might not have been as clear on how much I was feeding the tank. I used 1 cube (that contain 15ml of food) per the third times that I feed. Third time, I was feed earlier than I should have. I was trying to get the tank feeding schedule over to a match my new work schedule.
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asnatlas
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8782451#post8782451 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SERVO
Bahhhh Hhaaaa haaaaa Good one Shawn.
actually, you could repackage it, put it in really small glass containers with an eye drop to drip it into your tank and sell it retail for 30 bucks per jar. Just NEVER let anyone know what is in it. Creatine and a Sugar source.
Shhhh, You just ruined my master plan
55semireef
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I wish I could speak italian.
Dang, this is a long thread-I only made it to page 14 so far! I have a couple of things to say, after reading here and poking around on reefitalia.
First, growth hormone is not a steroid, it is a protein that has anabolic properties.
Second, I thought maybe the answer to the mysterious aminoacid recipe could be found doing a literature search. (unless it was revealed in the last 8 pages that I havent read yet)
It turns out that several glycoproteins are found in coral skeletons. A couple of references found that the skeletons were enriched in aspartic acid and glycine (at a 3.5 to 1 ratio). If we assume that freezing breaks up human growth hormone into individual amino acids (which it doesn't-not even close) there would be 192 total AA per protein molecule, 11 of which would be Aspartic acid and 8 would be glycine. Because there are 20 "normal" amino acids we would have to conclude that these two are not over-represented in hGH.
Supplements of these two amino acids might be better than whey protein that some of the Reefitalia guys are/were using and would be cheaper and more legal than buying growth hormone!
First, growth hormone is not a steroid, it is a protein that has anabolic properties.
Second, I thought maybe the answer to the mysterious aminoacid recipe could be found doing a literature search. (unless it was revealed in the last 8 pages that I havent read yet)
It turns out that several glycoproteins are found in coral skeletons. A couple of references found that the skeletons were enriched in aspartic acid and glycine (at a 3.5 to 1 ratio). If we assume that freezing breaks up human growth hormone into individual amino acids (which it doesn't-not even close) there would be 192 total AA per protein molecule, 11 of which would be Aspartic acid and 8 would be glycine. Because there are 20 "normal" amino acids we would have to conclude that these two are not over-represented in hGH.
Supplements of these two amino acids might be better than whey protein that some of the Reefitalia guys are/were using and would be cheaper and more legal than buying growth hormone!
Aqua Keepers
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DarkXerox, Thanks for posting that.
Quick question. This is a coral food right? So what about the fish? How often are the Italian fella's feeding them guys, and what? Could'nt we just add stuff to this mix for the fish (i.e. cyclopeeze, PE mysids, etc.) and just leave them in larger chunks? Ohh and what about adding oyster eggs for the corals?
Quick question. This is a coral food right? So what about the fish? How often are the Italian fella's feeding them guys, and what? Could'nt we just add stuff to this mix for the fish (i.e. cyclopeeze, PE mysids, etc.) and just leave them in larger chunks? Ohh and what about adding oyster eggs for the corals?
55semireef
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Where can you aquire these supplemetns of these amino acids?
Does anyone have a good idea for a system to freeze this food. It is dang near impossible to get the cubes to release out of the tray. I did find some blue trays that have half a ball style cube and there is 60 per tray and they each hold 3ml of liquid. I can remember a pic way back where the cubes looked to be in a sealed pouch with seperate sealed cubes, anyone know how to do that??? John
paulfromero
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What if the fish and corals get fat because of the sugar? We have so many good alternatives....Sweet n Low, Splenda, Nutra-Sweet..........!! Lets think about their waist lines people!
Paul
What if the fish and corals get fat because of the sugar? We have so many good alternatives....Sweet n Low, Splenda, Nutra-Sweet..........!! Lets think about their waist lines people!
Paul
REEF-DADDY
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I flatten my blender mush out in a plastic bag, and then just break off chuncks.
DarkXerox
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RoadToad: Thanks for clearing it all up, I hope I didn't say it was a hormone perse (I was thinking of how it can pass through cell membranes). If I did, my biochem teacher would kick my butt haha. Right now I think that the HGH breaking up in the watercolumn is what would supply aminos and I agree that once we determine exactly what AA's the corals are deficient in, we can dose accordingly. However, that apparently is going to be the subject of an upcoming research article, so until it gets accepted by its respective journal, we can't view it.
Pito: Yes this is mainly a coral food given the particle size. As for the fish, I'll have to ask, but I did see bisck feed spirulina to his tangs as well as other food. As you will see in the next update, the "pappone" is supposed to be fed after the lights go out.
Lead: I got some more instructions on when and how to feed and I will post it in an updated recipe when I have time. I really would be wary of that six start "body fuel" lol. But yeah if you use any frozen stuff, I would make sure that it is of course food without preservatives. Heck maybe if this catches on, someone in like Washington could send you a batch via UPS or something. For now, I think it would be good to use the same ratios as the recipe just to be safe, because it is somewhat "perfected" through experience over here in Italy. You should possibly avoid the phyto addition also.
55semireef: I really don't know yet, but I'll start looking when I'm back in the states(someone help me out here).
Pito: Yes this is mainly a coral food given the particle size. As for the fish, I'll have to ask, but I did see bisck feed spirulina to his tangs as well as other food. As you will see in the next update, the "pappone" is supposed to be fed after the lights go out.
Lead: I got some more instructions on when and how to feed and I will post it in an updated recipe when I have time. I really would be wary of that six start "body fuel" lol. But yeah if you use any frozen stuff, I would make sure that it is of course food without preservatives. Heck maybe if this catches on, someone in like Washington could send you a batch via UPS or something. For now, I think it would be good to use the same ratios as the recipe just to be safe, because it is somewhat "perfected" through experience over here in Italy. You should possibly avoid the phyto addition also.
55semireef: I really don't know yet, but I'll start looking when I'm back in the states(someone help me out here).
DarkXerox
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“Pappone†Recipe â€"œ Italian Coral Food (Updated 12/20/2006)
Materials:
5 Oysters
5 Mussels
5 Clams
5 Shrimp (NOT cocktail shrimp, the big scampi type w/o the head and the shell)
1 Tablespoon of Sugar
200 mL of RO/DI water
10 g of Red Algae (Palmaria palmata; Bisck uses Julian Sprung's brand)
and/or 10 g of Spirulina, 10 g of Nori (spirulina is what Bisck prefers)
Methods: Make SURE that all ingredients are the freshest possible and DO NOT use frozen foods (unless it is impossible for you). Make sure everything "live" is rinsed and cleaned before putting it into the blender. Put all the ingredients into the blender and blend for 5 min, wait 2 min for it to cool, 5 more min blending, 2 min of waiting again, then finally another 5 min of blending (the pausing is so that the solution doesn't get too hot and "cook" from the heat of the blender/blades). Pour into cube forms (approx 10 mL each). Then freeze it allâ€"you want to minimize how long everything is at room temperature.
Procedure: One hour prior to turning off your lights, you have the option of adding Amino acids to the tank*. (For example, 11pm Halides off, add AA’s, 12am, actinics off, then add pappone). Take off the cup of your skimmer, but leave the skimmer running (so you don’t have a massive drop in O2 levels overnight). After the lights are off, start with only a ¼ of a cube per WEEK for every 400 L of tank water (approx 100 gallons). Be sure to measure NO3 and PO4 the next morning so that these parameters don't spike after feeding. You can reduce the amount fed if you are having nutrient problems. Also don’t forget to put the skimmer cup back on the next morning before the lights go back on.
*If everything is going well. It is good to wait and see how the tank is doing for awhile before trying this. The whole point here is that you don't want to change anything too fast, because nothing good happens quickly in this hobby. (Another method to grind up amino acid pills in the next batch of food; however Bisck found that it sometimes causes diatom outbreaks in his tank).
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I'm leaving for the states tonight so I'll try to update when I get home. But 14 hours of flying might make my responses slow
I'm in the process of figuring out the tank parameters that people had questions about as well as the AA question.
Materials:
5 Oysters
5 Mussels
5 Clams
5 Shrimp (NOT cocktail shrimp, the big scampi type w/o the head and the shell)
1 Tablespoon of Sugar
200 mL of RO/DI water
10 g of Red Algae (Palmaria palmata; Bisck uses Julian Sprung's brand)
and/or 10 g of Spirulina, 10 g of Nori (spirulina is what Bisck prefers)
Methods: Make SURE that all ingredients are the freshest possible and DO NOT use frozen foods (unless it is impossible for you). Make sure everything "live" is rinsed and cleaned before putting it into the blender. Put all the ingredients into the blender and blend for 5 min, wait 2 min for it to cool, 5 more min blending, 2 min of waiting again, then finally another 5 min of blending (the pausing is so that the solution doesn't get too hot and "cook" from the heat of the blender/blades). Pour into cube forms (approx 10 mL each). Then freeze it allâ€"you want to minimize how long everything is at room temperature.
Procedure: One hour prior to turning off your lights, you have the option of adding Amino acids to the tank*. (For example, 11pm Halides off, add AA’s, 12am, actinics off, then add pappone). Take off the cup of your skimmer, but leave the skimmer running (so you don’t have a massive drop in O2 levels overnight). After the lights are off, start with only a ¼ of a cube per WEEK for every 400 L of tank water (approx 100 gallons). Be sure to measure NO3 and PO4 the next morning so that these parameters don't spike after feeding. You can reduce the amount fed if you are having nutrient problems. Also don’t forget to put the skimmer cup back on the next morning before the lights go back on.
*If everything is going well. It is good to wait and see how the tank is doing for awhile before trying this. The whole point here is that you don't want to change anything too fast, because nothing good happens quickly in this hobby. (Another method to grind up amino acid pills in the next batch of food; however Bisck found that it sometimes causes diatom outbreaks in his tank).
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I'm leaving for the states tonight so I'll try to update when I get home. But 14 hours of flying might make my responses slow
I'm in the process of figuring out the tank parameters that people had questions about as well as the AA question.
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