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Good thing i forgot to add sugar when i made pappone, I've been using it 6 weeks everything looks good, I also use Zeovite would like to know.

Greg B.
 
Zeo and other systems already carfully dose a carbon source to feed the bacs. By adding sugar it disrupts this and can be very harmful. Dosing the pappone without the sugar should be ok, but not with. I'd be careful mixing the two no matter what.

hth,

eric
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9443744#post9443744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sndwave80
WOW, Those pics are out of this world. What’s the secret?
the "pappone" for one. Intense lighting, skimming and good parimeters.
 
I just started dosing the pappone. I am excited to see the results.
I am going to keep a picture journal on my computer and post images in 6-8 weeks.
-Chuck
 
I dont have time to translate the whole thing right now but he is saying that the mix of zeo and sugar is damaging to the corals because the addition of sugar drops the nutrient levels even more. Corals need some nutrition, dropping the nutrient level when they are already low can cause RTN.

Use either BC or zeo but do not mix them.
 
I have a couple questions for those of you using the Pappone, have you increased all of your paramaters to the elevated levels suggested in the thread?
Ca 500
Mg 1500-1600
Sr 30
Iodine 0,06
KH 12
PH 8.5
And if you have did you do it slowly? Are you having trouble keeping them at these levels?
 
Second week of dosing.

My sponges didnt close up this time.

Polyp extention on my corals was fenomenal this morning.

My corals are loving this food.

Grazie!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9481579#post9481579 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WILDTHING
I have a couple questions for those of you using the Pappone, have you increased all of your paramaters to the elevated levels suggested in the thread?
Ca 500
Mg 1500-1600
Sr 30
Iodine 0,06
KH 12
PH 8.5
And if you have did you do it slowly? Are you having trouble keeping them at these levels?
Yes I have but I did bring them up slowly....most were close. I have noticed that I need to pay attention to ca levels,seems it is being used up alittle more now that I have been useing the pappone now for a month+. I'll try to post my log as I have been testing just about daily for 3 weeks prior to starting up, to now
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9481669#post9481669 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Green Thumb
Second week of dosing.

My sponges didnt close up this time.

Polyp extention on my corals was fenomenal this morning.

My corals are loving this food.

Grazie!

:D di niente..
controlla sempre i fosfati e non esagerare con il pappone...
altrimenti,anche avendo fosfati bassi, potresti avere dei colori scuri...quindi con le giuste dosi..

ciao!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9489973#post9489973 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sir
:D di niente..
controlla sempre i fosfati e non esagerare con il pappone...
altrimenti,anche avendo fosfati bassi, potresti avere dei colori scuri...quindi con le giuste dosi..

ciao!

Grazie Sir!!

I speak french and spanish so I understand what your saying sometimes.

Im keeping my dose small as to not get a problem. I use the equivalent of 1/2 cubito for my 100 gallon system. Also running phosphate remover for prevention. Also dosing the aminos 1 hour before.

ciao!
 
&%$@! I can't find live oysters around here anywhere, god only knows why. I have everything else...is there really much difference between 5 clams + 5 oysters and 10 clams?

jds
 
bureau13,

You should check with a few local restaurants. They become more popular in the late spring to summer months. Check the phonebook for oyster bars or sushi restaurants. I'm sure the local commercial purveyors have them, just the groceries dont carry them. I'm in the foodservice biz and have never had a hard time procuring them from. I see you are in FLA. I know Hooters orignated there in Clearwater and they have them year round (stop laughing and dont ask !).

HTH
 
Ha, I'm laughing because I was just mentioning that very thing to my wife not fifteen minutes ago! I just may have to make a visit over there tomorrow...

jds
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490874#post9490874 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Green Thumb
Grazie Sir!!

I speak french and spanish so I understand what your saying sometimes.

Im keeping my dose small as to not get a problem. I use the equivalent of 1/2 cubito for my 100 gallon system. Also running phosphate remover for prevention. Also dosing the aminos 1 hour before.

ciao!
ok perfect!;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9430057#post9430057 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DarkXerox
Translation:
Emh, my tank is also BB!
Let's clear something up for a second...
You use the sugar in these quantities and not in excess for stimulation the bacteria and therefore, together with the whole BC method brings a drop in nutrients thanks to the work of bacteria. If the phenomenons of STN or RTN are taking place, it means that the dosing is too low! Therefore you need to increase the dose of pappone...obviously in the tank there are already many oligotrophs, like zeovit, you need to avoid the use of sugar calmly. In the BC method, sugar is used in low quantities for the reasons I stated above, but the pappone in these cases in which are necessary, needs to be prepared calmly also without sugar.
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I actually experienced my first case of RTN in 5 years. I attributed it to some heavy fragging and a pavona's sweeper tenticles getting too close to my prized acro, but now wondering if it could possibly be due the BC method that I've recently started trying too. I didn't think it would be related to the BC method, but then i read this quote above and it made me wonder some more.

Can we get some more in depth analysis on this translation. Should I be worried about RTN occuring on other corals? if it is possible that this RTN incident was related to the BC method (not saying it is), would your recomendation be for me to actually add more cubes at one time??? seems backwards - seems like I'd want to add less, right?

Thanks,
Ben
 
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