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so I jumped on here a little late and am still confused. I am going to be running a new tank thats 52 gal with a bubble king skimmer and red dragon pump obviously my flow and skimmate will be more than sufficiant. I will be using ZEO on this tank. So from what I have read I need to dose the pappone without sugar. I need to dose it an hour AFTER my lights go off and dose Amino Acids right when my lights go off. take off skimmer collection cup after dosing but leave skimmer on overnight, in the morning put cup back on. If RTN occurs dose more frequently??? Is this right or am I still lost. Thanks for the help.


Tim
 
Unclefrosby, I have been following this thread for some time and what you state is correct. If RTN starts, increase the freequency of the feeding. As far as the timimg of the feeding, I think you are headed in the right direction.

HTH
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9547996#post9547996 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sir
esatto!!!!
diciamo che in questo caso si usa solo una parte del metodo (il pappone ) e non l'intero sistema(valori alti, kalkawasser ecc ecc)...una alimentazione con il pappone è sicuramente semplice e comoda anche per chi usa zeovit.

Bisogna fare attenzione!come per ogni altra cosa...

ciao Fabio.
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Exactly!
We said that in this case you use only a part of the method (the pappone) and no the whole system (high params, kalkwasser, etc.)...a feeding with pappone is certainly simple and convenient also for whomever uses zeovit.

You need to be careful! as with every other thing.



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In other news, I just fed my tank tonight with pappone for the first time! We will see how it does.

ho cominciato a nutrire la vasca con il pappone per la prima volta! Vedremo come il pappone funziona.
 
Ragazzi vi ripeto che il pappone non provoca RTN!
il metodo Bc, se utilizzato per bene non porta a problemi di questo genere. vanno, come sempre, rispettate quelle poche e semplici regole.
ad esempio nella foto che ha postato "blide" è chiaro che un acropora di quel tipo, essendo cosi chiara e quindi con tessuti fini, è soggetta a stress nel momento in cui qualcosa non funziona bene.
ad esempio mantenere il kh alto in una vasca zeovit e nutrire poco, porta a stress sul corallo.
il metabolismo infatti viene accellerato dal kh cosi alto, e quindi il corallo necessita di alimentazione e quindi di energie per soddisfare il proprio fabbisogno.
se utilizzate lo zeospur2, questo porta ulteriore stress al corallo.
se avete i fosfati alti questi sono dannosi e portano a stress per il corallo.
se quindi avete avuto fenomeni di RTN, ma la colpa và ricercata nell'intera gestione.
come ho già detto, per chi volesse utilizzare il pappone in vasche zeovit, è preferibile eliminare lo zucchero dalla ricetta, cosi da non contribuire ancora all'abbassamento dei nutrienti.
molte vasche gestite con zeovit usano il pappone e hanno ottimi risultati.
basta fare solo un pò di attenzione.
controllate sempre i fosfati!
non mischiate troppi metodi di gestione insieme.

ciao Fabio!
 
I couldn't help notice this thread.Really good stuff,and seeing peoples results here.Good stuff ! But there seems to be the mentioned of tissue lost from possible RTN/or STN.Being the use of sugar is being added,being it's a carbon source.What I remember from being a past user of Zeo.You were using to much,which would have and after effect on the corals.What is the general guide lines as for how much is added to a given system.Yes we have total water volume,and bio load that comes into play here.I see where some folks here stated they are feeding 2,3 times a week now.But how much is really added at one time?Is it total water volume we go on here?Can and over dose happen here?It just seems that some see fall out.Where others don't ? That makes me wonder is some adding to much at one time.
 
I'm wondering if the multiple feedings per week has something to do with the size of the cube. Some of those fish food trays have bigger sized cubes compared to others. My cubes are perfectly square, while I have seen some that are rectangle. I think some are cutting the cubes in half which I think is the best idea as some of this feeding can be overdone. I use 1 cube every 5 days and don't see me going any more or closer. I have never lost any frag/coral in this feeding to RTN, STN.
 
Sue
So you are saying that a very small amount is added into the system?Even if you cut a cube in half,that's a very small amount that is being added.I have a 240 but total water vol.of maybe 150 gallons.I know it's blended it into very tiny particles,which goes a long way.But even this small amount that iss added.It's hard to see where this sugar would have any effect on RTN OR STN?
 
I agree with you reefflections, I seriously doubt the sugar could or would be the cause of RTN. I don't know what could be causing the RTN but as I've never had any issues with it in my reef tank I can't say. To me and thats all I'm going by is if there are tissue flaking problems I don't understand how adding more would be the answer. It may be but I'm not understanding why. I just know that my tank has never been so crystal clear. It's almost like the corals and rock are sitting there with no water.
 
It does sound more like Alk swing than anything else.Because as we see here,folks had mentioned low Alk and Cal levels when using this method.That's probably the real tricky part of this.Is what the up take of Alk and Cal levels to keep stable.With a lot of testing along the way.
 
Speaking of keeping levels up... I am now having to dose a calcium additive daily, which I was only dripping kalk before. I am getting great growth. Alk is stable at 9.3dKh. Magnesium has also been a bit low like in the 1210 area and I've been dosing Tech M. Otherwise everything looks sweet... I am testing more than I have, but to keep things stable and healthy I don't mind a bit.
 
How many ml of pappone should be fed per 100 gal. of water? I filled my ice trays up with water then drained it into a graduated beaker. I know now that each cube is 3.7 ml of pappone. I just need to know how much to start out with. I have about 130 total gallon mix tank.

Also 15ml of sugar does not seem like enough sugar in the mix. Most ppl who use sugar are putting 1/2- 1 teaspoon per day. Why so little in the mixture?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9567601#post9567601 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by spongebobby
How many ml of pappone should be fed per 100 gal. of water? I filled my ice trays up with water then drained it into a graduated beaker. I know now that each cube is 3.7 ml of pappone. I just need to know how much to start out with. I have about 130 total gallon mix tank.

Also 15ml of sugar does not seem like enough sugar in the mix. Most ppl who use sugar are putting 1/2- 1 teaspoon per day. Why so little in the mixture?
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You put 1 tblspn into the entire recipe mix. You don't dose the sugar daily.
 
That is what I added to the recipe. I was just meaning that 1 tablespoon of sugar divided up with the amount of pappone made doesn't seem like alot compared to what most ppl who(not running BLU CORAL METHOD) dose sugar in there tanks.

Any idea how much pappone to start with? I also will be using ZEO brand HCAA. Says 1 drop per 25 gals. Is that a good amount to start with?
 
I am gonna start out the blu coral food this week. I have a 55 gallon reef with a 20 gallon sump. How much of the cube should i put in? Thanks!:)
 
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